Video: Cotto Confident in Avenging His Loss to Pacquiao, Stays with Top Rank

[Oxn]

Are you saying Floyd would get a smaller share than Cotto?

No, im saying he will get a smaller share in comparison to his Ortiz fight.

Like if he got 95% against Ortiz, then he will maybe get like 75% against Cotto.

Which in the end will net him alot less money if it does similiar PPV buys.

[THE REED]

No, im saying he will get a smaller share in comparison to his Ortiz fight.

Like if he got 95% against Ortiz, then he will maybe get like 75% against Cotto.

Which in the end will net him alot less money if it does similiar PPV buys.

He didnt get 95% against Ortiz lol...

It doesnt matter...Floyd-Cotto isnt happening for other reasons.

[JmH Reborn]

Like it or not, Canelo is filling arenas. GBP need the right ppv fight to break him out and I think a cotto fight, after cotto fights floyd, setting up a future floyd fight for canelo.

You are assuming that Cotto wants to be treated as nothing more than a stepping stone for Canelo for a bigger fight. I don't think Cotto also wants to fight in an area that is pro-mexican against a mexican. The cards would be stacked against him.

I see no win/win situation for Cotto at GBP unless his first fight is Mayweather.

Why would Oscar sacrifice a fighter that he'll have for 10 years for a fighter he has on a rental for 1 or 2 years? It doesn't make any sense.

He stays at Top Rank and shoots for Pac and avenges that loss then things are rosy for him. Even if he loses, at least its to Pacquaio and not an upstart and he can still get good fights

[Check_hooks]

I see alot of dumbasses in this thread that don't know **** about boxing or business.

First of all the higher weight the better for Pac. If the fight is at 154 than his punches, head movement and footwork will all be slower. And he'll think he can stand and trade with Pac but putting on weight doesn't help you chin and will be a false sense of confidence. Thats what happened in the Pac-Margarito fight.

And business wise, why the **** would cotto sign with GBP when he can get more money vs Pac than fighting Kirkland, Canelo and floyd COMBINED. And then you throw in JCC jr, Marg, CLottey and Cotto has nice paydays for the rest of his career.

[The Big Dunn]

Cotto vs Floyd may be a bigger money fight than Cotto vs Manny II.......

However if Floyd request as much money as he is accustomed to, then in no way will this be Cotto's biggest money fight.

I can see that fight doing about 1.3mil, which is barely more than 1.25 that Floyd did with Ortiz.

And if Ortiz got about 2.5mil, and Cotto is expected to get a minimum of lets say 10mil, then i dont see how Floyd will agree to such a split, considering itll mean he has to make less than he did against Ortiz, and he wont have any of that.

Oxn this makes no sense. You assume miguel cotto, who is the 3rd biggest ppv draw in boxing, would bring only 50k additional fans than Victo Ortiz? I mean please can we at least have an adult conversation. This ffight does much better than that.

Floyd gave shane $8 mil guarantee. Miguel gets at least $10 IMO. Floyd's take is based on several factors other than ppv sales. You have to read the NYtimes article about it to understand.

The seats will be more exspensive, the ppv more exspensive, and since it sells more it generates more. Floyd can easily make his usual take.

[Oxn]

It doesn't appear as if you want to have a serious conversation. Again I mention Bob because he runs TR and I think its financially better for Cotto to leave TR.

Cotto would get between $8 and $10 mil I would guess. Thats essentially the guarantee Shane had and I believe this fight would sell more.

I am sure a floyd cotto fight on May 5th, would sell about 1.5 mil ppv's give or take. Its not about who didn't fight manny, its about the #1 and #3 ppv draws fighting one another. Manny will not make his promoter make the May 5th fight because of testing, i mean guaranteed purse, I mean a cut healing. He isn't relevant to the discussion.

Like it or not, Canelo is filling arenas. GBP need the right ppv fight to break him out and I think a cotto fight, after cotto fights floyd, setting up a future floyd fight for canelo.

Now dont quote me but im pretty sure Shane got 5mil before PPV, which in the end will net him say 8mil or so. And also his biggest payday by far before fighting Manny.

Cotto is by far a bigger draw than Shane, and got like 10mil against Pac, and also ends at around 7-8mil against Margarito.

From here on forward Cotto is looking to make 7+mil per fight, and against a fighter like Floyd he will probably want to end up with 15mil after its all said and done. There is no scenerio out there i see Floyd offering Cotto that big a payday, cause itll mean he will make less. Unless your prediction of 1.5 million is correct, whcih i highly doubt. Im guessing 1.3

[The Big Dunn]

You are assuming that Cotto wants to be treated as nothing more than a stepping stone for Canelo for a bigger fight. I don't think Cotto also wants to fight in an area that is pro-mexican against a mexican. The cards would be stacked against him.

I see no win/win situation for Cotto at GBP unless his first fight is Mayweather.

Why would Oscar sacrifice a fighter that he'll have for 10 years for a fighter he has on a rental for 1 or 2 years? It doesn't make any sense.

He stays at Top Rank and shoots for Pac and avenges that loss then things are rosy for him. Even if he loses, at least its to Pacquaio and not an upstart and he can still get good fights

Fair points. Again I'm thinking a floyd fight 1st, then canelo. I'm looking at it strictly in terms of earning potential. Your post suggests fans will buy a cotto/manny rematch because why, the weight changed?

There is no revenge angle against manny. Unless its ay 154 for cotto's title the fight has no meaning. The fight would be at 150 likely. Would you pay to see manny cotto at 150?

[Oxn]

Oxn this makes no sense. You assume miguel cotto, who is the 3rd biggest ppv draw in boxing, would bring only 50k additional fans than Victo Ortiz? I mean please can we at least have an adult conversation. This ffight does much better than that.

Floyd gave shane $8 mil guarantee. Miguel gets at least $10 IMO. Floyd's take is based on several factors other than ppv sales. You have to read the NYtimes article about it to understand.

The seats will be more exspensive, the ppv more exspensive, and since it sells more it generates more. Floyd can easily make his usual take.

Sadly the bigger draw doesnt always equal more PPV, sounds funny but thats just how it is. Timing is a huge factor. Also level of opposition. I think people see Ortiz as a bigger threat at that time than Cotto is to Floyd at this time.

Are you saying JMM is a bigger draw than Cotto? Because JMM v Pac 3 sold more than Cotto vs Pac.

[The Big Dunn]

Now dont quote me but im pretty sure Shane got 5mil before PPV, which in the end will net him say 8mil or so. And also his biggest payday by far before fighting Manny.

Cotto is by far a bigger draw than Shane, and got like 10mil against Pac, and also ends at around 7-8mil against Margarito.

From here on forward Cotto is looking to make 7+mil per fight, and against a fighter like Floyd he will probably want to end up with 15mil after its all said and done. There is no scenerio out there i see Floyd offering Cotto that big a payday, cause itll mean he will make less. Unless your prediction of 1.5 million is correct, whcih i highly doubt. Im guessing 1.3

Shane was guaranteed 8 mil\, more than he made vs Manny. His guarantee for Margs was $5 mil.

You are wrong. Him offering cotto $10 mil doesn't mean he will make less. IT means cotto generates more so he gets more.

Again for you to suggest Miguel Cotto would only sell 50k more ppv's vs. floyd than otiz is either you hating floyd or you just talking out your ass. If this were true then Marg cotto wouldn't have been a ppv fight.

[The Big Dunn]

Sadly the bigger draw doesnt always equal more PPV, sounds funny but thats just how it is. Timing is a huge factor. Also level of opposition. I think people see Ortiz as a bigger threat at that time than Cotto is to Floyd at this time.

Are you saying JMM is a bigger draw than Cotto? Because JMM v Pac 3 sold more than Cotto vs Pac.

You can't make that statement because the manny/jmm numbers have not been released. Taffert said its great to have "million sales ppv's". The other report was the fight COULD reach 1.4 mil ppv sales. The final number wasn't released yet.