Could Lennox Lewis be the greatest ?

[lefthook2daliva]

1) do you believe Ali was taking boxing seriously when he was coming to fight totally out of shape (see the Young fight) just to get pummeled and get a gift decision ?

2) did Lewis lose to Rahman because of a lack of focus ? I doubt it

1) I'll partially concede this point because though I probably saw the fight on live tv when I was a boy, I don't remember it and can't be arsed to hunt it down and watch it right now.

However, even if that one lucky decision win is equal to LL being KO'd not once but twice...in his prime... by inferior fighters, in the final analysis, Ali's body of work trumps Lewis' imo.


2) Yes he did. He was not in his best shape and was clowning and generally disrespecting Rahman when he got caught and KO'd. I laughed my ass off.


Having said that, Lennox Lewis was the last unified HW champ and a great fighter which is a pretty big deal even if some guy on the internet (me for example) doesn't agree that he is "the greatest" (whatever that means and if indeed there even is such a thing).

[Erik K]

FACTS about Vitali Klitschko

- WBC Heavyweight Champion of the world

- All Time Great and Hall Of Famer

- Has never truly lost

- There is no blueprint to beat him

- He is unbeatable

- He is the most dominant fighter of all time

- He has dominated every opponent he has ever faced

- 45 have tried and 45 have been dominated

- Has never been behind on the scorecards at the end of a fight

- Has never been knocked down

- He is the most intimidating HW of all time

- Greatest Heavyweight Champ KO% of all time

- Only man ever to be world heavyweight champ in boxing and kickboxing

- Vitali is 40 and is still dominating. He hasn't lost a single round in his comeback.

- Vitali beats any HW from any era.

You forgot to mention that he dominated the weakest HW division in history.

I think he is a great force and would give just about any HW of any era trouble but get off his nuts a little bit, come up for air.

I think he truly lost twice.

[IronDanHamza]

maybe

but even Ali doesn't believe he's the greatest, while a whole lot of people rank his as the greatest (I can back this up with footage)

Sorry, what?

Re-visit the 1960's and 1970's.

Muhammad Ali was adament he was the greatest fighter of all time and stated it publically literally 10 million times before he had a single title defense.

[IronDanHamza]

based on you not giving lewis any credit or giving as little credit as you can, im a lewis hater, lol, hes a ****in puzzy but this guy has a great argument for being greatest hw of all time, lol, you and i cant take that away from him even though we hate on his azz, lol, nyahahahaha

I don't hate Lennox Lewis. Trust me, I would happily tell you if I did.

I hate Muhammad Ali. As in, literally hate. Yet, I rank him #2 of all time at HW.

My personal bias and hate doesn't do anthing for my ranking. Never has.

**** Tiger is one of my favourite fighters of all time. He hs a very strong argument the best fighter of the 60's. It would be easy for me to consider him as that.

Yet, I consider Emile Griffith to be that.

Again, that doesn't effect my rankins.

Lennox Lewis genuinely has no argument for being the greatest HW of all time. His resume simply does not allow it. It's as simple as that.

[Tha_Greatest]

I don't hate Lennox Lewis. Trust me, I would happily tell you if I did.

I hate Muhammad Ali. As in, literally hate. Yet, I rank him #2 of all time at HW.

My personal bias and hate doesn't do anthing for my ranking. Never has.

**** Tiger is one of my favourite fighters of all time. He hs a very strong argument the best fighter of the 60's. It would be easy for me to consider him as that.

Yet, I consider Emile Griffith to be that.

Again, that doesn't effect my rankins.

Lennox Lewis genuinely has no argument for being the greatest HW of all time. His resume simply does not allow it. It's as simple as that.

well , fair enough, we can agree to disagree but i will just take your word for it, lol, i wont change your opinion, i tried , i failed, as long as you stated what you did, ill takev your word for it

[Tiozzo]

Why? Because his resume doesn't allow it.

In what Universe could their be a logical argument that Lennox Lewis has a better resume than say, Muhammad Ali?

It's a whole different level of greatness there. Ali's Top 5 wins are almost quite literally better than Lennox Lewis' entire career.

How about Joe Louis? Again, not remotely close.

Like another poster said, Lennox Lewis is not even the best HW of his era.

His resume pales in comparison to Evander Holyfields. Let alone Muhammad Ali or Joe Louis.

but is it just about the resume ?...
who did Bob Foster beat ? that doesn't stop him from being ranked very highly

Ali struggled in many of his fights and arguably lost more than his record suggests

the consistence and the way you win your fights should count more than it does in my opinion

[Tiozzo]

Sorry, what?

Re-visit the 1960's and 1970's.

Muhammad Ali was adament he was the greatest fighter of all time and stated it publically literally 10 million times before he had a single title defense.

it was all talk, all hype

at least that's what he now says

I don't feel like finding the video right now, but he did say in some interview that he doesn't truly believes he's the greatest

[kiDynamite92]

maybe

but even Ali doesn't believe he's the greatest, while a whole lot of people rank his as the greatest (I can back this up with footage)

He doesn't believe he's the greatest boxer ever (bacause of Robinson), but I've never heard him say he wasn't the greatest heavyweight ever. BTW is your footage that you have, is it him on some talk show with SRL and Tyson as surprise guests?

[IronDanHamza]

but is it just about the resume ?...
who did Bob Foster beat ? that doesn't stop him from being ranked very highly

Ali struggled in many of his fights and arguably lost more than his record suggests

the consistence and the way you win your fights should count more than it does in my opinion

It is mostly, yes.

Bob Foster is generally overrated IMO, as a LHW especially. He's not in my Top 5.

Muhammad Ali beat more Top 10 and Top 5 opposition than any fighter in the History of the HW Division.

And he didn't struggle all that much, really. Not with Sonny Liston, not with Floyd Patterson, not with Joe Fraizer the second time, hardly with George Foreman. These are HOF'ers and ATG Heavyweights.

And regardless, even if he did struggle with ATG's like Joe Fraizer and co, he still won.

[IronDanHamza]

it was all talk, all hype

at least that's what he now says

I don't feel like finding the video right now, but he did say in some interview that he doesn't truly believes he's the greatest

Trust me, it really wasn't.

Ali believed he was the greatest. He believed that more than anything in the world.

He may try and be humble now and say he isn't. But anyone who had to endure Muhammad Ali knows that that man believed he was the greatest Heavyweight Champion of all time.

It's the equivalent to Floyd Mayweather in 60 years time saying he didn't really think he was the greatest. Would you believe him? Of course not.