To put Vitali's 95% scorecard ratio in perspective.... Floyd doesn't come close.. RJJ pre-TARVER was the ONLY one i can think of in all of boxing history that was as dominant & it mostly stemmed from the fact he was faster than everyone he fought & his reflexes were lightning quick.. If HE WOULD'VE bagged it after THE FIRST tarver fight.. despite it being his closest fight ever.. his ONLY legitimate blemish would've been the knockdown to that Lou dude & his low KO% as opposed to Klitschko.. but a good case could've been made for him being the most dominant fighter ever in terms of the numbers.. but we found out later that his chin wasn;t the best & once his reflexes started to dissipate.. he wasn't half the fighter.. so when taking your entire career Klitschko is head & shoulders & we don't have to worry about Klitschko's chin being exposed & the fact that he's even more dominant at 40 than he was at 30 (if that's possible)lends credence to the fact he'll end his career in that fashion... up UNTIL fighting Tarver for the first time his scorecard dominance was in Klitschko's ballpark & i'm sure he outboxed every single opponent up until then..... but think about it for all of RJJ'S dominance.. he got knocked down.... he didn't outthrow every single opponent.. he didn't KO 90% of all opponents. Klitschko is doing so mANY unparalled things in unison EVERY SINGLE time out that no one has ever managed to do FOR every one of there bouts.. it's almost inconceivable that he's NOT considered by default the best or at the very least the most dominating fighter that's ever lived.
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Originally posted by jimmy1569 View PostHe's fought 44 different names & outboxed & outslugged them just the same... Names mean shet when fighting Vitali.. result is the same regardless of ANY name you put opposite him in the entire boxing ALMANAC. ALL 45 OPPONENTS he faced never faced him again or came within a boxing ring of him... that's YOUR ultimate indictment.. HOW about rephrasing the question to who;s he EVER fought again?
Name ANY prominent heavyweight that's ever lived who can state he's NEVER had a rematch because ALL 45 OPPONENTS OF HIS HAD BEEN OUTSLUGGED & OUTBOXED THOROUGHLY? That's the ultimate criteria of his beatdowns... names are meaningless when the results are EXACTLY the same each & every time out...
That & aT LEAST A dozen other heavyweight records & accomplishments that he ALONE has achieved is HIS resume.. I don't NEED HIS OPPOSITION'S RESUME to decipher Vitali's resume like most haters out there. Vitali stands alone in what he's done to his opposition in the entire history of the heavyweight division...
THOSE ARE THE FACTS YOU haters try to twist around any way you can. It IRKS ALL of you's to know that this is UTTERLY factual & not even close to debating.. so instead of admitting this 100% factual data.. you have to scramble & tear it down with various excuses that HAVE NOTHING to do with how he's performed against all 45 different opponents & everything to do with how lackluster his opponents resumes are when MOST if not all of them received the WORST beating they eveer endured against anyone else they ever faced...
That's your true criteria & actual resume enhancer if we were keeping it COMPLETELY real but since we don't & boxing is mostly centered on a popularity contest & NOT actually performance in the ring we get to tear down the absolute most dominating boxer that's ever been with ALL size & strength advantages his against any fighter that's ever been.. His size strength & skill>> the 3 SSS in unison has NEVER been surpassed yet we keep on doubting his worth or his merits when he holds more than a dozen career heavyweight boxing records..
I CHALLENGE ALL OF YOUS to find another boxer you can state that about IN ANY DIVISION... trust me i know when the haters read this it goes out one ear & comes out of the other but deep down you know there's an inkling of absolute truth to what i;m stating here.. as everything i'm stating is based on factual occurences & opinions that are derived from them. IM NOT BRINGing this out my A$$$$... there"s a reason he's the ONLY one to do what i stated & as soon as you come to grips with the fact it's because of him ONLY & not his opponent'[s inept performances or resumes... the sooner you will believe the truth.... he's that GREAT.... YOU JUST DON'T want TO believe it.
Wow.............
Originally posted by jimmy1569 View PostHis brother got his belt back while he was healing from shoulder surgery (next best thing as to them belts are evenly distributed esp. when Wlad has more.... Vitali knows he's just loaning them to Wlad).. 8 less punches ONLY because half the time Vitali was throwing them he was NOT afforded the luxury of putting full force behind his shots & that led to a few more misses despite Byrd's brilliant defense & most of the shots Byrd landed were towards the end when Vitali was becoming defenseless due to the severe pain in his shoulder so i wouldn't put too much stock into Vitali's poor percentage that night & the fact that we are EQUATING bYRD shots to Klitschko's shots as one & the same is laughable at best when Byrd's landed shots are featherfisters & aren't equivalent or anywhere near Vitali's hammerlike shots.
Look up Kevin Johnson to see what REALLY happens to Byrd when Vitali is healthy & aware & cautious about throwing off his shoulder.. Byrd was just as frightened as Kj .. HAD just been Ko'ed bY iKE who was inferior to Vitali in every way... only got brave after Vitali misses & would put together a few featherfisted combos to make it look like he's fighting back instead of cowering on the ropes hoping to make Vitali miss.. he became the aggressor in the last rd or so when he was ASSURED Vitali wasn't going to hurt him because there was something physically wrong with him........... The truth.. read all about it!
Take a bow son.
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Originally posted by Jedi Vader View PostSo by your Klitlicking logic, I can go into a school playground and punch 45 little kids to the ground and that would give me the same record as Vitali.
Wow.............
This little tidbit is even beneath my standards for unprecedented & exceptional detail oriented rebuttals that i'm known for but i'll humor you & state how pathetic you are in comparing Vitali's comp to below tomatoe can level as if he hasn't fought in the same professional boxing league with the same exact rules as other greats that have fought before him.. the reason Vitali's comp is thought of as more inept than past greats comp is because he's made them all look inept while other greats were making other goods look great because they weren't NEARLY as dominating as Vitali is.... more parody back then.. so alot of so-so fighters that were similar to the ones Vitali faced were graduated to good or semigreat status.. Kenny Norton for instance went 3 wars with Ali BECAUSE ali couldn't handle his style.. Vitali handles everyones styles & even when he loses he hands out thrashings.. then you have the Razor Ruddocks.. the Chuvalos.. morrison Tuas Golotas. all comp that great fighters fought that are somehow elevated to very good but when Vitali fights opponents of similar quality & grade.. they're journeymen & never wases.. oout of shape.. not in there primes. the elevation of past greats opponents is downright disturbing to say the least.. dare i say some of the past greats couldn't even hold a candle or a pair of jockstraps to Vitali yet are somehow in haters minds above him... let's see Marciano.. Dempsey & ANY other white heavyweight great besides him.. let's just put it out there despite the fact i'm not into the color game that Vitali definitely has no peers in terms of white heavies & the ONLLY one close is his brother.. EVERYone else you think is above him is overrated at best & less dominant than him & that's the main reason why there competition is considered considerably better.... candid ..raw & straight to the point as always!
Your Klitlicking has now reached titanic proportions. I normally give you a little bit of leeway as you're not a racist Klitlicker but your delusions on these boards have catapulted you to the highest nadir or Klitlicking.
Take a bow son.
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Originally posted by Dubblechin View PostThe guy asked if any champion in any division in the history of the sport had lost so few rounds ... and my point is there are champs NOW who have lost fewer rounds.
(And I never brought up Sergio Martinez. But Sergio Martinez didn't lose 12 or 14 rounds to Cintron, or however many rounds Vitali has lost.)
Whatever. It's a dumb topic. There are always dominant champs who rarely lose a round. When Vitali's career is over, that's when the question should be asked. Because, if you ask it now, there are other current champs who are just as dominant in their fights.
Vitali does have a lot of one-sided wins, then again, he's never even attempted to unify any of the belts (even when his brother didn't have a title). Saul Alvarez and Andre Ward could dominate forever if they were content to defend their one belt and never took on another champ.
There's not been another champion as dominant of a champion as Vitali. Period.
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Originally posted by Mr. Invincible View PostThis is ignorant crap you spew. Vitali has maybe lost like 6-8 rounds that I've ever seen. But as you say, it don't matter because there's always good fighters on great runs. Take Pacquiao, no wait he lost 5 rds to JMM. Nvm, take Floyd.....no wait he lost 5 rds to Castillo and 5 more to Oscar. Ok, I got it, Joe Calzaghe......no, there was the Hopkins fight. I got it.....Marquez, no Cotto. No wait, how about................Oh, just nevermind.
There's not been another champion as dominant of a champion as Vitali. Period.
Secondly, he hasn't fought the Heavyweight equivalent of the fighters you've named that have lost rounds to other elite A-level fighters in 8 YEARS, and the last time he did step in the ring with an elite fighter...
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Wow, Vitali is a good fighter but you have to take level of opponent into consideration when touting things like this about. Look what a half arsed Lennox done to Vitalis face.
Manny, Floyd, Marquez, Cotto, Calzaghe, Hopkins. They've all fought the best, they'll go down as dominant fighters because of WHO they beat, not HOW they beat them. Vitalis proved himself against mediocre fighters, course he's going to be dominant. He's not beat a single person who you could honestly look back on and say "yeah, he was a good fighter". Whats Vitalis defining fight? The one he lost to Lennox via a TKO. Hes dominated a load of average fighters.
I know it's not his fault there's no one to really challenge him, but to say he's the most dominant champ of all time is silly, he hasn't beaten a big name, ever.
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