Has paquiao really gotten that much better???

[gatorDelux]

The answer is yes;
He improved a lot better, resulting in the following:
Chosen as Fighter of the Year'; FOTY; #1PFP; & World Record holder of 8 crowns.

Pacman has a very good Trainer in the the person of Roach, who is a Multi-award winner as BWAA' Trainer of the year.

ur like the tunney of pacfans lol

im talking about his skill not acomplishments/stats

[GrandpaBernard]

IMO fromstudying his fights

it seems to me that he is about the same fighter thatfought marquez the second time and david diaz at 135

it just that he looks great and dominates these bigger guys causee he has a great chhin and can take there punches and has the power of a middle weight plus the bigger guys cant see his punches comming

because of his chin and his power he doesnt hav those huge disavantages that a smaller fighter has when moving up

IMO he is definatey more seasioned now but its more of him haveing the right style to beat bigger guys than him improving significantly

guys like marquez and morales arep4p better fighters than the welters pac beat and they are able to handle his hand and foot speed were the big guys cant captalize on openings when pac lunges in and out with his attacks

if marquez wasnt 38 i would give him as much a chance as people did for the first two fights

and i think it will be a good fight even if pacs youth ultimatly stops marquez cause jmm is a warrior and his has the style and abilty to captalize on pacs mistakkes an counter him(even if heeventually gets blown out)

your guys thoughts??

all the bigger guys he has fought don't even have the right style to be successful and/or beat him

a good right hand and closing off his offensive angles with smart footwork is crucial if you want to beat a southpaw like manny

converted southpaws like Oscar and Cotto have joke right hands, converted southpaws are food for true southpaws

Hatton was also left hook dominant

Clottey is a joke

marg doesn't have the skills to do those kind of lead rights

I'm confident Mosley would have beat him if he wasn't a shot old man.

[Jack Napier]

....didn't he say he could still make 135 ?


yet the fight isn't at 135, it isn't @ 140 or even 142 it's @ 144 lol

Pac isn't making 135 anymore
he could do 140 if he felt like it
either way, it makes no difference
JMM 3 is a public execution, not a fight Pac gets props for

[gatorDelux]

all the bigger guys he has fought don't even have the right style to be successful and/or beat him

a good right hand and closing off his offensive angles with smart footwork is crucial if you want to beat a southpaw like manny

converted southpaws like Oscar and Cotto have joke right hands, converted southpaws are food for true southpaws

Hatton was also left hook dominant

Clottey is a joke

marg doesn't have the skills to do those kind of lead rights

I'm confident Mosley would have beat him if he wasn't a shot old man.

im not tryng to down play his victories

im just tryoiing to point out that there wasnt some magical evoltion of pacs skillsright before the odlh fight

he just has speed that some of the welters he fought cant handle ansd those guys he beat at 130 that gave him really good fights could handle it

his skillsseemabout not much better than they were in the marquezfight

[KING MEAT]

Pac is taking double dose of DAT *****.

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[LeG00N]

Pac isn't making 135 anymore
he could do 140 if he felt like it
either way, it makes no difference
JMM 3 is a public execution, not a fight Pac gets props for

it's irrelevant, point was.... his weight does benefit him

[gatorDelux]

Pac isn't making 135 anymore
he could do 140 if he felt like it
either way, it makes no difference
JMM 3 is a public execution, not a fight Pac gets props for

i honestly think pac is gonna struggle with marquez for a while and it could turn out to be a good fight even if marquez gets stopped

if he wasnt so damn old it would be 50-50 imo because of style

[gatorDelux]

Pac is taking double dose of DAT *****.

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DIS ****??
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jk

[Jack Napier]

it's irrelevant, point was.... his weight does benefit him

your insinuation was that this should be at JWW not WW
point was that either or, JMM has no chance
above 135 he's not beating Pac or anybody else
he has to go to WW because he's the one chasing here

[GrandpaBernard]

im not tryng to down play his victories

im just tryoiing to point out that there wasnt some magical evoltion of pacs skillsright before the odlh fight

he just has speed that some of the welters he fought cant handle ansd those guys he beat at 130 that gave him really good fights could handle it

his skillsseemabout not much better than they were in the marquezfight

I think lots of them bigger guys he has fought recently were too caught up in how much their larger size would help them. They tried to impose their power and chin on him. Turns out he also has good power and chin along with speed, which makes him more dangerous than them in the fight.

JMM is smart enough to learn from their mistakes, and I believe he won't try to slug it out.