Has paquiao really gotten that much better???

[Brother Jay]

Your post shows the total lack of objectivity or the absence of analytical capability.
Cotto and Margo were able to land big shots on Pac in the early rounds in those fights. What happened after that is the exact opposite of your assertions.

Go watch those fights again so that hopefully, you won't make the same asinine comments.

You posts shows nothing but your own abundance of ******ity. Your flowery use of words amount to a hollow shell of verbosity, you moronic peasant.

If that wasn't bad enough, your actual reply that concerns boxing is even more useless. For the majority of those matches Pacquiao used his jab, jab straight left hand. Its what he does. Pacquiao uses that combo as often as BHOP clinches.

Why?

Its because its what he was trained to do. Its how he spars. Its how he fights. Any peasant who could watch Pacquiao's fights without ejaculating would see this for themselves, but they get caught up in the euphoria and just assume Manny never got hit and landed ALL of his punches.

Put the pooch stew down and get real, boy boy.

Pacquiao is as one dimensional as he was years ago.

The real difference between Pacquiao now and back then is that Pacquiao has maintained a FW's workrate at a WW's size. Which is where all the PED allegations stem from. PED's don't add power. They do however allow a fighter to train MUCH longer and reap benefits that a clean fight wouldn't be able to achieve without them.

Pacquiao does not not have better than average footwork.

Pacquiao does not have better than average defense.

Pacquiao does not have better average ability to work from behind a jab other than the ONE combo he repeatedly throws.

Pacquiao does not slip punches well.

Paquiao cannot even cut off a freakin ring to catch a 40 year old Mosley.

These are all basic skills in boxing, and Pacquiao cannot do any of them well.

What he does do well is dart in and dart out with his jab, jab straight left hand. Being able to do that for 12 rounds without getting tired is more than just a little impressive. So impressive in fact, that Pacquiao has called USADA corrupt and won't give blood to receive a $50 million check for a 36 minute workout.

Now, for a man who is having extreme money troubles with VisionQwest and Arum, you'd think that he'd gladly give a teaspoon of blood to rectify his finances, right?

RIGHT??????

We are talking about a man who was so poor that his father ate his dog. We can safely leave "pride" out of this conversation when discussing what Manny is willing to do to survive.

Check ANY Pacquiao fight. His bread and butter is and always will be the jab, jab straightleft hand. He's limited to that and only needs that because he can constantly use it against plodders and he doesn't get tired.

Everything else is just more 3rd world drivel.

[Johnwoo8686]

Absolutely. Shane threw less total punches against Manny, and he landed less. He threw more total punches against Floyd, and he landed more. The more you throw, the more you'll hit your target.

Also Manny threw nearly 300 punches than Floyd and only landed slightly more punches against Mosley than Floyd did but I assume you knew that lol.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

Also Manny threw nearly 300 punches than Floyd and only landed slightly more punches against Mosley than Floyd did but I assume you knew that lol.

and Manny threw fewer shots with Hatton and went home 8 and a half rounds earlier....

He also dominated and stopped Oscar, was hit much less by Oscar....

And Manny also dropped Mosley, and had Mosley running in which Mosley did not run from Floyd...

But I assume you know this

[Konstantin]

With that said, Mosley boxed Pacquiao from a distance that he has no real success at. Vernon Forrest kept Mosley at that distance and was able to land a punch that almost KO'd Mosley. Remember that? Forrest was able to nullify Mosley's speed by controlling the distance with his JAB. To quote the late great fighter"

"Speed ain't everything. A well placed jab can shut speed down".

Mosley controlled the distance and fought where Pacquiao wasn't comfortable. Besides the Margarito fight, I have never seen Mosley use his jab as effectively as he did against Pacquiao.

For a man who has not found success boxing that way, Mosley gave a good showing but more importantly, he showed that by using that approach, one could greatly limit what Pacquiao was able to do.

That isn't an argument that suggests that Mosley made it a close match or even competitive. As I said, in order to score you have to be more offensive than defensive. Mosley did NOT do that. So if any of the peasants here would like to argue about something I'm not suggesting, go right ahead.

Clottey did the same. Clottey lost to Pacquiao because of the same reason: He did NOT engage his opponent enough to win rounds. However Clottey did use an approach where *******s would have sworn the power of Pacquiao would have stopped Joshua. It didn't even bruise Clottey.

Now, if you look at Pacquiao's face, it was tore up. It wasn't the worse face I've seen, but it certainly was the most I've seen Pacquiao beaten up since Morales and Marquez.

Pacquiao has no answers for a solid defense. Clottey showed that.

And Pacquiao has few if any answers for a boxer who boxes behind a solid jab and moves. Mosley showed us that.

Pacquiao beat both fighters because he constantly attacked, which won him rounds. He did not stop or really hurt either man though. And considering that both men he beat were plodders, I feel as though they showed a bunch without coming close to winning.

This is the confusing part about what you wrote and where it's going to throw off 90%. And, yes it's partial because they aren't reading your crap. But also because it is exactly that - crap.

Do you know what it means to have no answer for something? When a boxer can't figure out what the other fighter is throwing at him and therefore is losing rounds. So when your throwing out that Pacman has no answer for solid defense and showing examples of fights where he is winning every single round it doesn't make any sense. You actually said exactly what his tactic is - pressure. And so far it has worked well.

[Nonitard]

You posts shows nothing but your own abundance of ******ity. Your flowery use of words amount to a hollow shell of verbosity, you moronic peasant.

If that wasn't bad enough, your actual reply that concerns boxing is even more useless. For the majority of those matches Pacquiao used his jab, jab straight left hand. Its what he does. Pacquiao uses that combo as often as BHOP clinches.

Why?

Its because its what he was trained to do. Its how he spars. Its how he fights. Any peasant who could watch Pacquiao's fights without ejaculating would see this for themselves, but they get caught up in the euphoria and just assume Manny never got hit and landed ALL of his punches.

Put the pooch stew down and get real, boy boy.

Pacquiao is as one dimensional as he was years ago.

The real difference between Pacquiao now and back then is that Pacquiao has maintained a FW's workrate at a WW's size. Which is where all the PED allegations stem from. PED's don't add power. They do however allow a fighter to train MUCH longer and reap benefits that a clean fight wouldn't be able to achieve without them.

Pacquiao does not not have better than average footwork.

Pacquiao does not have better than average defense.

Pacquiao does not have better average ability to work from behind a jab other than the ONE combo he repeatedly throws.

Pacquiao does not slip punches well.

Paquiao cannot even cut off a freakin ring to catch a 40 year old Mosley.

These are all basic skills in boxing, and Pacquiao cannot do any of them well.

What he does do well is dart in and dart out with his jab, jab straight left hand. Being able to do that for 12 rounds without getting tired is more than just a little impressive. So impressive in fact, that Pacquiao has called USADA corrupt and won't give blood to receive a $50 million check for a 36 minute workout.

Now, for a man who is having extreme money troubles with VisionQwest and Arum, you'd think that he'd gladly give a teaspoon of blood to rectify his finances, right?

RIGHT??????

We are talking about a man who was so poor that his father ate his dog. We can safely leave "pride" out of this conversation when discussing what Manny is willing to do to survive.

Check ANY Pacquiao fight. His bread and butter is and always will be the jab, jab straightleft hand. He's limited to that and only needs that because he can constantly use it against plodders and he doesn't get tired.

Everything else is just more 3rd world drivel.

biggest bunch of BS ive ever read anything on the internet...thanks for the entertainment

[Johnwoo8686]

and Manny threw fewer shots with Hatton and went home 8 and a half rounds earlier....

He also dominated and stopped Oscar, was hit much less by Oscar....

And Manny also dropped Mosley, and had Mosley running in which Mosley did not run from Floyd...

But I assume you know this

What does that have to do with how each guy performed against Mosley? You also forget to add that Oscar was at a weight he hadn't fought at in nearly eight years. You think Manny would've performed the same way had he been forced to fight Oscar Light Middleweight? I doubt that.

[littlemac]

biggest bunch of BS ive ever read anything on the internet...thanks for the entertainment

LOL.....Sup tard. Getting schooled again I see lol...Whats new... You still think that Floyd fans are claiming that people bought Floyd Vs Ortiz because of Canelo and Morales lol........Your my favorite *******o...

[dj Calleti]

He has improved a lot.

[littlemac]

You posts shows nothing but your own abundance of ******ity. Your flowery use of words amount to a hollow shell of verbosity, you moronic peasant.

If that wasn't bad enough, your actual reply that concerns boxing is even more useless. For the majority of those matches Pacquiao used his jab, jab straight left hand. Its what he does. Pacquiao uses that combo as often as BHOP clinches.

Why?

Its because its what he was trained to do. Its how he spars. Its how he fights. Any peasant who could watch Pacquiao's fights without ejaculating would see this for themselves, but they get caught up in the euphoria and just assume Manny never got hit and landed ALL of his punches.

Put the pooch stew down and get real, boy boy.

Pacquiao is as one dimensional as he was years ago.

The real difference between Pacquiao now and back then is that Pacquiao has maintained a FW's workrate at a WW's size. Which is where all the PED allegations stem from. PED's don't add power. They do however allow a fighter to train MUCH longer and reap benefits that a clean fight wouldn't be able to achieve without them.

Pacquiao does not not have better than average footwork.

Pacquiao does not have better than average defense.

Pacquiao does not have better average ability to work from behind a jab other than the ONE combo he repeatedly throws.

Pacquiao does not slip punches well.

Paquiao cannot even cut off a freakin ring to catch a 40 year old Mosley.

These are all basic skills in boxing, and Pacquiao cannot do any of them well.

What he does do well is dart in and dart out with his jab, jab straight left hand. Being able to do that for 12 rounds without getting tired is more than just a little impressive. So impressive in fact, that Pacquiao has called USADA corrupt and won't give blood to receive a $50 million check for a 36 minute workout.

Now, for a man who is having extreme money troubles with VisionQwest and Arum, you'd think that he'd gladly give a teaspoon of blood to rectify his finances, right?

RIGHT??????

We are talking about a man who was so poor that his father ate his dog. We can safely leave "pride" out of this conversation when discussing what Manny is willing to do to survive.

Check ANY Pacquiao fight. His bread and butter is and always will be the jab, jab straightleft hand. He's limited to that and only needs that because he can constantly use it against plodders and he doesn't get tired.

Everything else is just more 3rd world drivel.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

What does that have to do with how each guy performed against Mosley? You also forget to add that Oscar was at a weight he hadn't fought at in nearly eight years. You think Manny would've performed the same way had he been forced to fight Oscar Light Middleweight? I doubt that.

I intentionally point to that because you know thats a fact, you know that Mosley was shot and DLH was also all done and weight drained.
So where are all these so called Big guys that this steroid cheater is knocking out?
Cotto and Hatton are hardly big guys, and he didnt stop Clottey or Margarito....

So the arguement of him moving up all these classes and knocking out all these bigger guys is flawed. you all need to stop with this whole take the test BS there is nothing that suggest Manny Pacquiao is on Steroids.

None of you were even saying that until Sr started off with it.. and thats a fact... you repeat what ever you hear...
Example: Check hook 99% of you didnt know what the F$#K that was until you heard it
another example: James Toney can fight out of shape cus he is so relaxed....

you guys here this **** on HBO and just repeat it to make it seem like you know what your talking about when none of you were saying this prior to hearing it.