Has paquiao really gotten that much better???

[x3_bazooka_x3]

regarding your sig, Manny prays every time he gets in the ring and thats not just for the fights, I have been in the gym with him back in 2003, and the kid does pray not for some sort of image he is a devoted catholic, he prays just as he is getting ready to start the work out...every single time, unlike Floyd who beats woman in front of his kids

[strykr619]

The biggest difference between their 2nd fight and now is, manny is MUCH MORE patient now, he has an effective right hand ( like another poster has mentioned he just doesn't whip it out like he use to) and doesn't need to cut weight so he is at optimal strength and speed.

IMO this fight is not gonna be like their first 2 , Marquez is older now and IMO is gonna get KOed by the 8th.

[Johnwoo8686]

I intentionally point to that because you know thats a fact, you know that Mosley was shot and DLH was also all done and weight drained.
So where are all these so called Big guys that this steroid cheater is knocking out?
Cotto and Hatton are hardly big guys, and he didnt stop Clottey or Margarito....

So the arguement of him moving up all these classes and knocking out all these bigger guys is flawed. you all need to stop with this whole take the test BS there is nothing that suggest Manny Pacquiao is on Steroids.

None of you were even saying that until Sr started off with it.. and thats a fact... you repeat what ever you hear...
Example: Check hook 99% of you didnt know what the F$#K that was until you heard it
another example: James Toney can fight out of shape cus he is so relaxed....

you guys here this **** on HBO and just repeat it to make it seem like you know what your talking about when none of you were saying this prior to hearing it.

Man, this entire post comprises of you putting words into my mouth because I never said any of it. So just cut the nonsense out. When did I ever talk about check hooks or James Toney's fighting style??? I never said Manny was KO'ing bigger guys. I did however, say that it is a little su****ious for a guy to be making significant strength and endurance gains in his 30s. Since when is a man faster and stronger at 32/33 than he was at 26/27?

Example: Everybody knows Manny is going to beat Marquez but nobody thinks he's going to outbox Marquez. Everyone thinks hes going to completely blitz Marquez with powerful combinations and Marquez will not be able to handle it but somehow he was able to handle the same combinations from that same fighter 3 years ago. People don't think Manny's boxing IQ is whats going to outdo Marquez they think its his freakish strength!

[boxer.exposed]

Man, this entire post comprises of you putting words into my mouth because I never said any of it. So just cut the nonsense out. When did I ever talk about check hooks or James Toney's fighting style??? I never said Manny was KO'ing bigger guys. I did however, say that it is a little su****ious for a guy to be making significant strength and endurance gains in his 30s. Since when is a man faster and stronger at 32/33 than he was at 26/27?

Example: Everybody knows Manny is going to beat Marquez but nobody thinks he's going to outbox Marquez. Everyone thinks hes going to completely blitz Marquez with powerful combinations and Marquez will not be able to handle it but somehow he was able to handle the same combinations from that same fighter 3 years ago. People don't think Manny's boxing IQ is whats going to outdo Marquez they think its his freakish strength!

you talking about strength. Who do you think is stronger p4p, Pac vs Cotto, Clottey, Mosley and Margarito? If you tell me is Pac then you have to find another sport to watch. Perhaps gymnastic? Pac number 1 weapon when he beat Cotto, Clottey, Mosley and Margarito was his speed and chin, yes of course his boxing IQ. You people thought when a boxer is running, pot shot, elbow punch, forearm choke, sucker punch he has a Boxing IQ. smh. holdi Not because of his freakish power or strength otherwise he should able to ko everyone one them like when he was in lower division.

[Johnwoo8686]

you talking about strength. Who do you think is stronger p4p, Pac vs Cotto, Mosley and Margarito? If you tell me is Pac then you have to find another sport to watch. Perhaps gymnastic? Pac number 1 weapon when he beat this Cotto, Clottet, Mosley and Margarito was his speed and chin. Not because of his freakish power or strenght otherwise he should able to ko everyone one them like when he was in lower division.

Pac is definitely stronger than Cotto pound for pound. Just ask Mosley and Margarito. Cotto landed everything he could against Margs but didn't break his face like Pacquiao did. Cotto landed nearly the same amount of punches on Mosley as Pacquiao did on Mosley yet wasn't able to knock him down. Do you think Pacquiao would've decisioned Malignaggi like Cotto did?

We're not talking about Pacquiao at the lightweight division, we are talking about Pacquiao at welterweight. If you can't see that he is much, much stronger now than he was back then you obviously need help with your eyesight.

[boxer.exposed]

Pac is definitely stronger than Cotto pound for pound. Just ask Mosley and Margarito. Cotto landed everything he could against Margs but didn't break his face like Pacquiao did. Cotto landed nearly the same amount of punches on Mosley as Pacquiao did on Mosley yet wasn't able to knock him down. Do you think Pacquiao would've decisioned Malignaggi like Cotto did?

We're not talking about Pacquiao at the lightweight division, we are talking about Pacquiao at welterweight. If you can't see that he is much, much stronger now than he was back then you obviously need help with your eyesight.

How about we use some brain here like "speed is power"?

[Johnwoo8686]

How about we use some brain here like "speed is power"?

"Speed is power?" Is Marcos Maidana a fast guy? No. Is Paulie Malignaggi powerful? No. So speed is not power. Pacquiao isn't much faster than he used to be but he's definitely more powerful. Shane Mosley also thinks Manny is stronger than Cotto, so do you want to argue that he's wrong?

[Toyman]

You posts shows nothing but your own abundance of ******ity. Your flowery use of words amount to a hollow shell of verbosity, you moronic peasant.

If that wasn't bad enough, your actual reply that concerns boxing is even more useless. For the majority of those matches Pacquiao used his jab, jab straight left hand. Its what he does. Pacquiao uses that combo as often as BHOP clinches.

Why?

Its because its what he was trained to do. Its how he spars. Its how he fights. Any peasant who could watch Pacquiao's fights without ejaculating would see this for themselves, but they get caught up in the euphoria and just assume Manny never got hit and landed ALL of his punches.

Put the pooch stew down and get real, boy boy.

Pacquiao is as one dimensional as he was years ago.

The real difference between Pacquiao now and back then is that Pacquiao has maintained a FW's workrate at a WW's size. Which is where all the PED allegations stem from. PED's don't add power. They do however allow a fighter to train MUCH longer and reap benefits that a clean fight wouldn't be able to achieve without them.

Pacquiao does not not have better than average footwork.

Pacquiao does not have better than average defense.

Pacquiao does not have better average ability to work from behind a jab other than the ONE combo he repeatedly throws.

Pacquiao does not slip punches well.

Paquiao cannot even cut off a freakin ring to catch a 40 year old Mosley.

These are all basic skills in boxing, and Pacquiao cannot do any of them well.

What he does do well is dart in and dart out with his jab, jab straight left hand. Being able to do that for 12 rounds without getting tired is more than just a little impressive. So impressive in fact, that Pacquiao has called USADA corrupt and won't give blood to receive a $50 million check for a 36 minute workout.

Now, for a man who is having extreme money troubles with VisionQwest and Arum, you'd think that he'd gladly give a teaspoon of blood to rectify his finances, right?

RIGHT??????

We are talking about a man who was so poor that his father ate his dog. We can safely leave "pride" out of this conversation when discussing what Manny is willing to do to survive.

Check ANY Pacquiao fight. His bread and butter is and always will be the jab, jab straightleft hand. He's limited to that and only needs that because he can constantly use it against plodders and he doesn't get tired.

Everything else is just more 3rd world drivel.

pentacle

[Brother Jay]

pentacle

Only someone with an extremely small penis would log on to a boxing site to post that reply.

You have no friends.
You have no pusssy.
You have no life.

And you laughing at you own reference will definitely be the "pentacle" of you entire day.

How's that working for you, Toyman?

[boxer.exposed]

"Speed is power?" Is Marcos Maidana a fast guy? No. Is Paulie Malignaggi powerful? No. So speed is not power. Pacquiao isn't much faster than he used to be but he's definitely more powerful. Shane Mosley also thinks Manny is stronger than Cotto, so do you want to argue that he's wrong?

or maybe just because he doesn't need now to cut his weight to make weight, or because his opponent were weak weight drained, old, shot past prime or the combination of both? but some people are really thick skinned and they had a fixed thought the only reason why Pac beating his opponents because he was on PED. Some others are much worst. They thought Pac used PED, fixed fights, made to order, paid to take a dive to beat these old, shot, past prime, coming from losses, weight drained opponents. You guys are really pathetic creatures!