Better resume: Mayweather or Pacquiao?

[The Gambler1981]

They are still close, nothing has changed in the situation to make me feel differently~

Anyone who rates one high above the other is not really living in reality~

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Whatever you say Mak. You're right, we (fans) have been debating who has the best resume between Mayweather and Pac before 2009. Hell, we've been debating this topic for the last 7-10 years. You're right.

How about you find any credible website where this "debate" took place before the Hatton-Pac fight happened.

I'm not knocking Pac's career, but just because he reinvents himself in the last 2 years doesn't give him the right to overrule or surpass the other 14 years he wasn't competing with Mayweather.

now you want me to look for websites to help teach you


just because YOU never thought about it prior to 2009, doesnt mean it never happened

[jrosales13]

Jro its not that at all. Nothing I have posted is unreasonable. Manny gets credit for everything he has achieved from me. Where I raise questions, (catchweights and talent level of opponents) they are legitimate.

But, the same can be said about Floyd. Which you're not doing. You just giving him the benefit of every single doubt.

Which is fine, you can do that. I'm just pointing out.

I can't see how anyone can rank Floyd ahead of Pac in terms of ATG's. But, if you do, so be it.

[4Corners]

this has been dne to death...pacquiao by far...

floyd has to do a lot to match pac's resume...

floyd is the better boxer

pac is the better fighter

Well it depends. Both have fought good fighters in their primes and both have fought good fighters who were past their primes.

I do a check-mark system to evaulate Floyd and Manny. For example, something Manny has the edge on, he gets a check which equals a point in his favor.

Best win for Manny was over a latter prime Barrera in 2003. Best win for Floyd was probably the win over a prime and unbeaten Corrales in 2001. Manny gets a check on that one. 1-0 Pacquiao.

Manny has two knockout losses to nobody fighters, and 2 draws on his record. One was to a nobody and one was to a latter prime Marquez. Mayweather has zero losses or draws against his opposition. 1-1 Tied.

Mayweather beat De La Hoya at 154, and a year and a half before Manny. Mayweather also beat the latter prime version of Hatton, who was unbeaten, as well as beating Mosley who was coming off knocking Margarito out, who had previously beat Cotto. Manny only beat Oscar, Hatton, and Mosley after Floyd did and when they were coming off sub-par performances. 2-1 Mayweather

Manny did beat the past prime-still good version of Marquez first technically, although Mayweather beat the same version much more convincingly. But Mayweather was not going to go down to 140 or 135, so Marquez had to go up to 144. 2-2 Tied.

Now lets look at the top-contenders and really solid fighters both beat in their careers. Manny beat a prime Ledwaba, prime Solis, and a past prime still good Diaz. Floyd beat a prime Manfredy, prime C. Hernandez, prime Chavez, and a prime N'dou. Hernandez and Chavez would both go on to be world title holders, while Ledwaba and Solis did next to nothing after Manny. Diaz was a good win, but not in his prime like Manfredy and N'dou were. You gotta give the "top contender" and "solid fighter" category to Mayweather. 3-2 Mayweather.

Now lets rank each others welterweight wins and see what could cancel each other out. Manny beating a past prime Clottey who hadn't won in 2 years cancels out Mayweather beating Baldomir, who actually hadn't lost in over 8 years. After that, manny has other wins over past prime-still really Cotto, past prime Margarito, and past prime Mosley. Mayweather has wins over a latter prime Zab Judah, past prime-still good Marquez, and a past prime Mosley. So, Manny's best win left at 147 was against a past prime-still really good Cotto, and Floyd's best win left at 147 was against a latter-prime Zab Judah. Manny gets a check for that one, as Judah was in his latter-prime and not on the total downside like Cotto was after his loss to Margarito, but I still give beating Cotto an edge. 3-3 Tied. Mayweather over Mosley and Marquez is more impressive than Manny's wins over Margarito and Mosley though. Simply because of the factors of what each had done prior to the fights. Mosley had just knocked Margarito out and Mayweather fought Mosley, while Pacquiao fought Margarito coming off getting knocked out. Then, Pacquiao fought Mosley coming off losing to Floyd and a draw with Mora. Mayweather made Marquez go up to 144, but Marquez only had the controversial loss to Pacquiao and wins recently. 4-3 Mayweather.

Then, that leaves Mayweather with wins over a past prime-still good Genaro Hernandez, prime Castillo (twice), and a past prime Arturo Gatti. That leaves Manny with a draw against a latter prime Marquez, a loss to a latter prime Morales, a win over a latter prime Morales, a win over a apst prime-still good Morales, and a win over a apst prime-still good Marquez. I'll give Manny the slight edge here,e ven though he had draws and losses. 4-4 Tied.

There you have it. It's tied for me. This could all be settled once they fight each other. However, if they don't, it will be interesting to see who finishes out better. Mawyeather is a step ahead of Pacquiao now though, because he's fighting a prime Ortiz coming off a big win while Pacquiao is fighting a past prime Marquez again. If Pacquiao finishes his career off fighting Marquez, Berto, Cotto, and maybe Jones, he will be leaving a lot to be desired. If Mayweather finishes his career out fighting Ortiz, Khan, Alvarez, than I would definitely give Mayweather the slight edge in resume.

[Ryannn]

Ok so because you're being talked about as a HOF'er that means you have the better resume.

Mayweather was already being discussed as an HOF'er before Pac fought Morales/Barrera.

Here's the test right here. Check any credible boxing website before 2009 and let's see how the general public compared Mayweather-Pac.

Going off your and others postings in this thread, Pac has been competing with Mayweather for the P4P #1 spot before 2009? Come on you guys are killing me.

2006. ring rankings it was pac, calzaghe, and floyd were the undisputed top 3 by that time.

[The Big Dunn]

the question isn't who's more popular

Exactly. Manny had a full career before top rank. Wins, losses, performances good and bad. If we take ALL that into the equation I have no problem. But in debating some guys they only know pac won titles at 20 because they saw Mak or someone else post it, or they went to boxrec etc.

If you saw manny prior to top rank then its hard to argue anyone put him on the same level as floyd, not that he wasn't a good fighter.

[FJRod]

People are delusional, bottom line ALL TIME GREATEST list Pac is and will be way above Floyd. Floyd had the potential to be in the top 25, but due to his unwillingness to challenge HIMSELF he is not and will not be considered greater than PAC.

[BoxingGenius27]

in 2008, alot of polls already had him at #1...followed by Calzaghe, then JMM

Right, after Mayweather retired. You still can't answer how people were saying Pac had the better resume? You're just talking about P4P rankings. If that's the case, then explain why Mayweather was ranked higher than Pac in all P4P polls before Mayweather retired in 2007?

You know why you won't be able to find where the general public thought Pac had the better rusume before 2009? Because it never existed. That's why.

All of a sudden Pac goes on a roll in the last 2 years and we're suppose to forget the other 14 years Mayweather was considered the better fighter by not only the general public, but notable sports writers also. Give me a break FFS!

[Chopper417]

Mak, Ryann, Jrosales13:

How many pac fans on this board do you think saw him prior to top rank?

5% maybe, maybe less.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Right, after Mayweather retired. You still can't answer how people were saying Pac had the better resume? You're just talking about P4P rankings. If that's the case, then explain why Mayweather was ranked higher than Pac in all polls before Mayweather retired in 2007?

You know why you won't be able to find where the general public thought Pac had the better rusume before 2009? Because it never existed. That's why.

All of a sudden Pac goes on a roll in the last 2 years and we're suppose to forget the other 14 years Mayweather was considered the best fighter by not only the general public, but notable sports writers also. Give me a break FFS!

WOW


really dude...be honest, when did you really start following this sport