Comments Thread For: Arum on Mayweather-Ortiz, Pacquiao-Marquez, More

[WESS]

We have 4 different users in here who find no fault at the hands of Floyd Mayweather, and cast all the blame on Team Pacquiao. That is ridiculous.

You guys are totally biased.

No, most everyone blames Bob Arum, who makes the decisions for Pac. Watch any post fight interview as you see Pac say he has to talk to Bob.

Remember Bob used to promote Floyd too until Floyd fired him.

[sweetscience18]

Well there are people who faints when blood is drawn, who knows about Pac.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vasovagal-syncope/DS00806

What if you're in the middle of doing extreme training and suddenly you get to take that.

WADA doesnt take more blood than your heart could easily pump back into your body it isnt like donation.
If you faint at the sight of blood then boxing isnt the sport for you.

[BoZz]

If arum was so trust worthy pac wouldn't be doing secret talks behind his back..his own fighter is sick of him but that shows you that arum owns pac and everything he has..pac is a dumb unschooled bit** who is getting abused by arum

[LeadUppercut]

There was precedent for Team Pacquiao to request this. Floyd is a bigger man than Pacquaio is, and their side wanted to make sure that Floyd didn't come over 147. He had recently gone over his contracted weight with JMM, which was at 144, and he came in at 146. This was the precedent that caused Team Pac to make that demand, which is reasonable.

P.S. Just FYI, I think there should be Olympic-style PED testing in all of boxing. Just an FYI for you.

What the hell are you moaning about then ?

Blood tests are completely harmless.

FACT: we would have had that fight already if Pac had agreed to undertake random blood tests with a 14-day cutoff.

Pac's 8 ridiculous excuses are absurd.

If Pacquiao's fanbase started to behave like most normal boxing fans, then Team Pacquiao would be forced to cut the bull**** and front up.

Your acceptance of Pacquiao's position, even though you admit that testing is required, seems absurd to me.

Why the hell aren't you saying " Fkn hell Manny, blood tests are completely harmless, and this rubbish has been going on for three years now, whats up with that "?

Because you are not taking that position, I assume that you must have accepted one of Manny's 8 ridiculous excuses.

Go on then, tell us which one worked for you ?

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Team Pacquiao's big ol' bag of ridiculous excuses.....

* " I dont like needles "

* " taking my blood the day before the fight will weaken me "

* " I am too proud to take the test "

* " Floyd is not the commission "

* " taking my blood will affect my training, even 23-days from the fight "

* " I feel too disrespected to take the test "

* " he is bigger than me, so it will weaken me, more than him "

* " USADA are corrupt "

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To answer this question, I'll refer you to ESPN, TheRing, Yahoo, and any other credible organization that follows boxing. They have Manny at #1, so you can ask them. Let me know what they say.

Do you mean guys like Bert Sugar and Al Bernstein ?

Guys who say that Pac is a truly great fighter, but then both admit that Marquez already beat him twice

Or do you mean organisations like " The Ring ".

The magazine who had Pac ranked as the #1 welter despite the fact that Manny had never actually fought a welterweight at 147, and had only beaten a guy who was well-faded, ranked no higher than 4, at catchweight

Come on man, Pac has not faced a live dog since Marquez, and his recent resume has been a collection of carefully manufactured, masterfully manipulated, exhibition match-up's.

Much as I like to call Floyd " Mayflower ", I am finding it harder and harder to use that nick when referring to him.

The fact is, Mayweather is fighting the guys that Pacquiao will not face, and Manny's 8 different ridiculous reasons for not wanting to fight Mayweather, ooops, I mean..... take the test..... are simply absurd.

* Pac would not fight JMM, so Mayweather did, and he got rubbished for it.
Three years and three divisions later, now that the ENTIRE WORLD knows that JMM cannot hang at welter..... Manny wants to fight Marquez, and his fans think that he is reaching for greatness, and that this will prove "once-and-for-all" who is the better fighter.

* Pac would not fight Shane Mosley, Manny flat out ducked him like a b1tch.
Once again, Mayweather stepped up when Pacquiao would not.
18 months later, when the ENTIRE WORLD could see that Shane was old, shot, and could no longer pull the trigger..... suddenly Pac wants to fight Shane.

* Pac would not fight Victor Ortiz, citing that he was " too green ".
This is despite Ortiz having ****** Manny around in sparring, and him coming off a stellar win against a guy who Pac had on his own short-list So what happens, yet again, and even in spite of a long layoff, Mayweather steps up and fights the guy who Pacquiao will not face.

Come on man, whats up with that ?

Pac has never fought a welter ranked as high as Ortiz.

When is the last time Pac fought a champion who was young, fast, skilled, hungry, and right on top of his game?

" too green " ?

Pac is the " ****e Girls " of boxing.

[vicmatic1]

theres news on other websites that pac hasnt even signed the contract saying that he wants more than a 20 million dollar guarantee..i know its a formality but bobs selling out the mgm without a pac signed contract? is this even true?

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What about Floyd's excuses?

I'm taking time off the sport.
Bob takes all his money away I make my own money.
I never ducked or dodged anybody.
Who, Poochiao?
I'm on vacation right now.
We were never in a second round of negotiations.
We are going to make him "make some sushi rolls and cook some rice."
"We're going to cook him with some cats and dogs."

Forget that rubbish.

How can you call yourself an honest knowledgable boxing fan, but ignore the fact that we would have seen that fight already if Pacquiao had agreed to random blood tests.

The only official negotiation failed because Team Pacquiao walked away because of disagreements with the testing protocol. The same gold-standard testing protocol that handled the entire USA Olympic squad and trialists, Mosley, Ortiz, etc.

And if you really believe that there was a second round of negotiations, then this conversation is pretty much over, and there is no hope for you.

http://fighthype.com/pages/mayweather-pacquiao-negotiations-timeline-1.html

http://fighthype.com/pages/mayweather-pacquiao-negotiations-timeline-2.html

If you deny that Pacquiao killed that fight, and you wholeheartedly believe that there was a "second" round of negotiations..... then I would suggest that you are not actually a genuine boxing fan, you are just one of the many Manny-fans that have over-run this site.

There are only two reasons why Bob Arum's dribble could over-rule common-sense..... and I do not think that you are ******.

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Manny Pacquaio is a global figure, and his numbers are very close to Floyds. No way that the fight is not 50/50.

Pac-clown? You are an idiot. OST should be implemented in this fight, and any other fight. Mayweather has just disrespected Pacquiao so much that he doesn't want to the bully to dictate what he does, especially when it's not necessary. (Please refer to the racist U-Stream video made by Mayweather)

Did I ever say that the OST was a duck? Show me where.

I'm out for now, but i'll be back later. Still going strong.

The negotiation happened in Dec 2009, Pac's figures were not comparable with Mayweathers. And " close ", does not win you a cigar.

NOBODY would have questioned Mayweather wanting more money.

You are worse than naive, if you believe that the OSDT request was a duck, but then cannot explain why Manny did not call Mayweathers "bluff" by taking the test.

And if you do not believe that the OSDT request was a duck, then how can you possibly say this..... "Do you think it's totally the fault of the Pacquiao side for this fight not being made up to this point?".

Dude, how the *** could Mayweather possibly be held responsible for that fight not happening?

The fault is 100% Pacquaio.

[LeadUppercut]

You dont " share " the blame.

How fkn absurd

You find the problem, you identify the cause, and you fix it.

FACT: We would have seen that fight already if Manny had agreed to undertake OSDT's, so the fault lies with Pacquiao, end of story.

[spoonwars]

Mayweather:
- JMM: was #2 P4P and winning, didn't know what to expect @ WW
- Mosley: was #1 WW Champion and winning
- Ortiz is a current young WW Champion and winning

Pac:
- Clottey: STILL hasn't won a fight since 08 vs Judah
- Margarito: a Ko'ed banned cheater, loser
- JMM: is winning but has never won or even looked good at WW

You're just twisting facts. I think you meant...

Mayweather:
- JMM: Is a lightweight, but is much smaller than Mayweather and their styles did not mesh well. You forgot to mention Fraud didn't make the original agreed catch weight. Was P4P #2? Lmao, I suppose you're saying he was above Mayweather or Pacquiao.
- Mosley: Beaten by Cotto, but looked good against his cheater conqueror and was inactive over a year after that.
- Ortiz: Took an alphabits belt from an alphabits champion and is currently green against Mayweather.
...
- Cotto: Did not want none of this prime cut.

Pac:
- Clottey: We came to see Cowboys Stadium...
- Margarito: Punished the cheater and almost forced his retirement.
- JMM: Is a lightweight, but is about the same size as Pacquiao and their styles have proven to mesh well. Pac will make JMM's requested catchweight, unlike Mayweather's bait and switch.
...
- Cotto: Tore him to shreds.
......
- Other common fights: Pac performed better than Mayweather.