Comments Thread For: Arum on Mayweather-Ortiz, Pacquiao-Marquez, More

[WESS]

You're just twisting facts. I think you meant...

Mayweather:
- JMM: Is a lightweight, but is much smaller than Mayweather and their styles did not mesh well. You forgot to mention Fraud didn't make the original agreed catch weight. Was P4P #2? Lmao, I suppose you're saying he was above Mayweather or Pacquiao.
- Mosley: Beaten by Cotto, but looked good against his cheater conqueror and was inactive over a year after that.
- Ortiz: Took an alphabits belt from an alphabits champion and is currently green against Mayweather.
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- Cotto: Did not want none of this prime cut.

Pac:
- Clottey: We came to see Cowboys Stadium...
- Margarito: Punished the cheater and almost forced his retirement.
- JMM: Is a lightweight, but is about the same size as Pacquiao and their styles have proven to mesh well. Pac will make JMM's requested catchweight, unlike Mayweather's bait and switch.
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- Cotto: Tore him to shreds.
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- Other common fights: Pac performed better than Mayweather.

I didnt twist any facts you silly goose. These are Facts. You just "twisted" the facts and added your opinions mixed with excuses.

Mayweather:
- JMM: was #2 P4P and winning, and should NEVER fight at WW EVER again. Mayweather was retired and irrelevant. JMM was P4P#2.

- Mosley: WAS THE #1 WW Champion and winning who Pac ducked because he was "too good"

- Ortiz is a current young WW Champion and winning who Pac ducked.

Pac:
- Clottey: STILL hasn't won a fight since 08. FACT

- Margarito: a Ko'ed banned cheater, and still a loser. FACT

- JMM: should NEVER EVER fight at WW again, yet Pac demands for a 3rd fight at WW when he already beat him twice? I guess either he didn't think he won the other 2 and wants an advantage in the 3rd fight OR he's ducking REAL WW's (JUST LIKE HE DID AT JMW).


you lose, try again bytch.....

[mrjoeblive]

Damn i must have missed that little gem. Someone needs to start replacing the crack in sr. pipe with sugar cubes. The guy is literally ******ed. I guess when he said he ll never allow his son to fight manny pacquiao he was telling the truth.

i bet you cant show that quote doggie.

[BesWorldChamp]

Well friend you just shi**ed on yourself

If shane was old against floyd what was he against duckqiao?

Hatton was unbeaten ..he bashed tszyu..floyd schooled him and gave his leftover to duckqiao..where is the thank you?

De la hoya came in at a good weight against floyd..duckquiao fought a corpse and also floyds leftover

And floyd schooled JMM ..pac got smashed twice now he wants to take revenge at a catch weight..what a coward lol

Floyd zero losses..pac used to get knocked down via body jabs ..lol

More biased viewpoints. It doesn't make sense how you can approve of every Floyd fight, but negatively criticize every Pacquiao fight. It's a waste of time to argue with someone who sees everything for his fighter's point of view. There's no sense of neutrality in that.

[BesWorldChamp]

Here read this ..log off boxingscene and give it a good think about..because these are the facts.

the REASONS why Pacquiao is considered the CATCHWEIGHT KING!

Floyd Mayweather fought De La Hoya at 154LBS

Pacquiao fought De La Hoya at 147LBS (DLH didn't fight at 147 in almost 10YRS)

Pacquiao fought Cotto at 145LBS for a 147LBS title (but why DLH at 147LBS?)

Pacquiao fought Margarito at 150LBS for a 154LBS title

Freddie Roach just stated they would fight Martinez IF Martinez drops to 147LBS (why not 154LBS if Manny holds a title at 154LBS?)

all those FACTS are the reasons.

147 pounds isn't a catchweight; it's the welterweight limit. Now log off of BoxingScene and do your homework.

[BesWorldChamp]

[QUOTE]

What the hell are you moaning about then ?

No one is moaning about anything. If you would have read the thread from the beginning, I was defending Pacquiao from biased users who saw every single negative in Manny's resume but none in Floyds.

Your acceptance of Pacquiao's position, even though you admit that testing is required, seems absurd to me.

Testing is required, but why would Manny do something that doesn't have to when the man requesting it made racist remarks about him?


Here's my pick out of the ol' bag of excuses, spoken as if it were from the mouth of Manny:

Floyd Mayweather Jr., the man who has both made racist comments about me and has downright accused me of cheating to attain my life's successes with no proof, will not make me do something I don't have to do. I will not obey his orders after he has done such cowardly actions.

[BesWorldChamp]

Forget that rubbish.

How can you call yourself an honest knowledgable boxing fan, but ignore the fact that we would have seen that fight already if Pacquiao had agreed to random blood tests.

The only official negotiation failed because Team Pacquiao walked away because of disagreements with the testing protocol. The same gold-standard testing protocol that handled the entire USA Olympic squad and trialists, Mosley, Ortiz, etc.

And if you really believe that there was a second round of negotiations, then this conversation is pretty much over, and there is no hope for you.

http://fighthype.com/pages/mayweather-pacquiao-negotiations-timeline-1.html

http://fighthype.com/pages/mayweather-pacquiao-negotiations-timeline-2.html

If you deny that Pacquiao killed that fight, and you wholeheartedly believe that there was a "second" round of negotiations..... then I would suggest that you are not actually a genuine boxing fan, you are just one of the many Manny-fans that have over-run this site.

There are only two reasons why Bob Arum's dribble could over-rule common-sense..... and I do not think that you are ******.

On July 26th, 2010, Ross Greenburg released a statement saying that he was negotiating the fight with a rep. from each side. If that's not a second set of talks, I don't know what is. Regardless of what Ellerbe says, why would Greenburg say that he was "negoatiating" and that he was "carefully trying to put a fight together."?

[BesWorldChamp]

The negotiation happened in Dec 2009, Pac's figures were not comparable with Mayweathers. And " close ", does not win you a cigar.

NOBODY would have questioned Mayweather wanting more money.

You are worse than naive, if you believe that the OSDT request was a duck, but then cannot explain why Manny did not call Mayweathers "bluff" by taking the test.

And if you do not believe that the OSDT request was a duck, then how can you possibly say this..... "Do you think it's totally the fault of the Pacquiao side for this fight not being made up to this point?".

Dude, how the *** could Mayweather possibly be held responsible for that fight not happening?

The fault is 100% Pacquaio.

I've never called Mayweather request for OST as a duck. Show me where I said that.

Here's how Mayweather can be held responsible for this fight not happening: Publicly accusing him of cheating for his life accomplishments without any proof, Making racist remarks about a man, and also asking him to do something that he doesn't have to do.

[al1bar]

Ok, I understand why Pacquiao will demand it, but what I'm saying is, IF FLOYD WAS DUCKING AND DODGING, why didn't he just say "No" to the 10 million/lb? He didn't have to agree to that. A normal person who loves money as much as Floyd would never agree to that. But Floyd did agree to that. Why?

Because he knew there won't be a fight. He would never have to pay that fine because his Dad never wanted him to fight Pacquiao to begin with. They're just saving their faces pretending they're negotiating, but in reality they already had a way out.

[The_Sandman]

Because he knew there won't be a fight. He would never have to pay that fine because his Dad never wanted him to fight Pacquiao to begin with. They're just saving their faces pretending they're negotiating, but in reality they already had a way out.

Wouldn't saying "No" to that demand be an easier way out?? So basically, according to you, Floyd said "Ok, 10 million dollars for every lb i'm overweight. I agree" just so he can pretend that he's negotiating, then duck and dodge later?? I'm having a hard time believing that.

[sweetscience18]

On July 26th, 2010, Ross Greenburg released a statement saying that he was negotiating the fight with a rep. from each side. If that's not a second set of talks, I don't know what is. Regardless of what Ellerbe says, why would Greenburg say that he was "negoatiating" and that he was "carefully trying to put a fight together."?

Bob Arum was binded by law to come out publicly and say that there were no negotiations and that there had only been small conversations between the two camps and hbo reps.

This was a legal process he haspd to follow because he lied and said that there was a second round of negotiations..my opinion is greenburg tried to put it together but nobody really wanted to deal with the bull****.