more impressive roy goin from 154 to hw..or manny going from fly weight to ww

[Mr. Fantastic]

Ok, if that is so, you must be latin/asian or anti-American to have your opinion. Now you can go back into your hole.

Just because you were not a boxing fan or are just too young to understand Roy's prime greatness doesn't diminish his accomplishments.

You just keep thinking Roy has only been this 40+ y/o that get's badly ko'd every other fight, ok.

Actually you moron, I liked Roy in his prime but I always questioned why he had to fight bum after bum on HBO. To me he was just milking and milking.

I'm not Anti-American either, top it off Asian you twat.

What Roy did was great but it just doesn't come close to what Pac did. Hell I like Roy and HATE Hopkins with a passion but that still doesn't change my mind that Hopkins is a greater boxer.

[Big Op]

I won't disagree that Ruiz was a better opponent than that version of Margarito. But, I really don't count Pac as a JMW, I count him as a WW, Pac never fought at the full JMW limit. So I think Ruiz win and the Cotto win is a better comparison. And, is Ruiz a better fighter than what that Cotto was?

cotto was never the same after marg destroyed him plaster or not

[Reloaded]

I won't disagree that Ruiz was a better opponent than that version of Margarito. But, I really don't count Pac as a JMW, I count him as a WW, Pac never fought at the full JMW limit. So I think Ruiz win and the Cotto win is a better comparison. And, is Ruiz a better fighter than what that Cotto was?

He fought both Cotto and Marg at CW , it matters because Roy fought a full blown HW and gave him 30 lbs on the scales ,,, I dont get that people think Pacs CWs are not influencing in the fights , yet they dont question why Roach was so adamant in getting the CW he wants , its for a reason !

[rambov]

I have always said that light heavy is the worst weight class to be in because that's like everyone's walk around weight. Power is excellent at that weight. That's why Roy got knocked the fok out by tarver. Do not mess with 190.

[jrosales13]

cotto was never the same after marg destroyed him plaster or not

A "never was the same Cotto" still as good as Ruiz?

[jrosales13]

He fought both Cotto and Marg at CW , it matters because Roy fought a full blown HW and gave him 30 lbs on the scales ,,, I dont get that people think Pacs CWs are not influencing in the fights , yet they dont question why Roach was so adamant in getting the CW he wants , its for a reason !

CW or no CW, was Cotto at 145 just as good as full blown HW Ruiz? P4P was Cotto as good.

I don't get why people think that somehow a solid fighter becomes crap cuz' he's first to weigh one pound less than he's previous bout that he wasn't even drain in.

F'ing morons.

[Reloaded]

CW or no CW, was Cotto at 145 just as good as full blown HW Ruiz? P4P was Cotto as good.

I don't get why people think that somehow a solid fighter becomes crap cuz' he's first to weigh one pound less than he's previous bout that he wasn't even drain in.

F'ing morons.

You dont know what damage the CW done , you cant answer why Roach said 145 or NO fight if it did not mean anything .

Ruiz was coming of good solid HW form with a 30 lb advantage over Jones , Cotto was fed a dud that will never be heard of again after a terrible career stopping beating and CW or No fight , your the moron buddy because you dont understand weight in boxing beyond a number , thats why you have no clue to what Pac is doing .

[jrosales13]

You dont know what damage the CW done , you cant answer why Roach said 145 or NO fight if it did not mean anything .

Ruiz was coming of good solid HW form with a 30 lb advantage over Jones , Cotto was fed a dud that will never be heard of again after a terrible career stopping beating and CW or No fight , your the moron buddy because you dont understand weight in boxing beyond a number , thats why you have no clue to what Pac is doing .

Because, Roach wanted and advantage, that's why...And, what?

Ruiz was a very solid fighter. Top 3 in the last decade in a division that was pretty lame for the whole decade.

So 1 pound made Cotto garbage? So 1 pound(where he wasn't even drained by Clottey, but whatever? Made Cotto just not a solid fighter?

No, you're the moron buddy if you really believe that crap.

F'ing Whitaker became crap because he was force to come 2 pounds lower even though when he did he dominated an ATG prime fighter.

I can keep on making examples but what for?

Again, Cotto at 145 wasn't as good P4P as Ruiz?

F'ing kidding me? GTFOH.

I hate when troll ass haters like you make ****** comments. Hating trolls like you bring nothing substantiation to these forums. Just a bunch of crap.

No knowledge having mofo, actually try watching the sport.

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Because, Roach wanted and advantage, that's why...And, what?

Ruiz was a very solid fighter. Top 3 in the last decade in a division that was pretty lame for the whole decade.

So 1 pound made Cotto garbage? So 1 pound(where he wasn't even drained by Clottey, but whatever? Made Cotto just not a solid fighter?

No, you're the moron buddy if you really believe that crap.

F'ing Whitaker became crap because he was force to come 2 pounds lower even though when he did he dominated an ATG prime fighter.

I can keep on making examples but what for?

Again, Cotto at 145 wasn't as good P4P as Ruiz?

F'ing kidding me? GTFOH.

I hate when troll ass haters like you make ****** comments. Hating trolls like you bring nothing substantiation to these forums. Just a bunch of crap.

No knowledge having mofo, actually try watching the sport.

I didnt say Cotto was garbage you did , I said he came of a terrible beating and the CW did come into the result , you think the Cotto of old , this was not the Cotto of old , he was damaged goods and CW-ed however much credence you give it , it was a handicap that was Pacs way , Roys handicap was against him , yet you dont understand the difference .

I hate trying and talk logic based on real figures and ***heads argue about opinion ratings , you wanna talk about everything else except the fighters and fights in question , who gives a *** what Whitaker did or P4P ratings , we are talking about the merits of Pac Cotto vs Jones Ruiz so stick to the events and form of only those 4 at the time of the fight and just before .

In my opinion Roys win was way more significant and impressive than Pacs win over Cotto , I dont remember Jones trainer saying Ruiz is damaged goods after his wins over Holyfield .

[jrosales13]

I didnt say Cotto was garbage you did , I said he came of a terrible beating and the CW did come into the result , you think the Cotto of old , this was not the Cotto of old , he was damaged goods and CW-ed however much credence you give it , it was a handicap that was Pacs way , Roys handicap was against him , yet you dont understand the difference .

I hate trying and talk logic based on real figures and ***heads argue about opinion ratings , you wanna talk about everything else except the fighters and fights in question , who gives a *** what Whitaker did or P4P ratings , we are talking about the merits of Pac Cotto vs Jones Ruiz so stick to the events and form of only those 4 at the time of the fight and just before .

In my opinion Roys win was way more significant and impressive than Pacs win over Cotto , I dont remember Jones trainer saying Ruiz is damaged goods after his wins over Holyfield .

Oh what Roach said, Roach said Floyd legs are gone. I guess that means Floyd legs are gone.

If I was talking about the "Cotto of old" then this wouldn't even be a debate. So apparently I wasn't talking about "Cotto of old" dumbass.

Again P4P who was the better fighter? That version of Cotto mixed in with the catch-weight was just as good as a fighter as Ruiz. And, both of was dominated and both was just as impressive.

Except haters like you, would do nothing but troll. And, just say ****** shit, just to troll.