more impressive roy goin from 154 to hw..or manny going from fly weight to ww

[jrosales13]

Lol, how am I giving Pac no credit? I just am agreeing that Jones' achievement was more prestigious. You are being extra defensive because if it has nothing to do with the last 3 years and Pacquiao, you don't want to hear it. Chump.

OK, either you're trolling or you're an idiot.

That hater post that you were replying to wasn't meant for you it was to Reloaded. So what are you talking about?

[Mr. Invincible]

I'm not going to say he was green because at the end of the day Roy was at his peak either.

But, B-Hop wasn't the best MW at the time. If so how did he become the best MW prior to Roy facing him? B-Hop became the best MW years after Roy.

So I will ask again when did Roy beat the best MW?

"Peace" Yes go to sleep because you won't have a smart reply.

Let me adress this before I go to bed & make you feel sillier. Hopkins never lost again for 11 years. Ok, with that in mind, whether he was automatically declared the best @ 160 is irrelevant. Hew was the best fighter there, the world just didn't discover it yet. Then, Jones became the best at 160 and handed it back over to Hoppkins as a matter of fact. Then, as soon as he moved up he was again the best at 168 after tearing Toney up for his first loss. Then, again, Roy went up to 175 and was imediately ranked first there as well. It's cool to have an opinion but you know nothing about boxing history outside of what Manny was doing in the 90's it seems.

[Mr. Invincible]

Do you not know how to read? I said, "hell he beat Tarver the first time"

Do you know what that means? That means that he beat Tarver the first time. Please read before replying "dummy"

And, no Jones doesn't walk over a prime Tarver. No Tarver wouldn't been a cake walk. Roy might have not been caught by that shot. But, that doesn't mean that Tarver didn't have the size, stance, and style to give a prime Roy trouble.

Yes, I read this perfectly:

"Roy at his best at 175 maybe beats Tarver".

Don't you know how ignorant that was?

Look, Pac is amazing. He deserves mad credit, and he's getting it. However, if you look at everyone he's faced since Delahoya, they have all been strategically planned to make Pacquiao look unhuman.

All I'm saying is that Jones' win over Ruiz eclipses anything Pacquiao has done so far based on all the intangibles. You don't have to agree with me, you are entitled to your opinion, but it does look like more members agree with me than you.

Bye bye.

[jrosales13]

Let me adress this before I go to bed & make you feel sillier. Hopkins never lost again for 11 years. Ok, with that in mind, whether he was automatically declared the best @ 160 is irrelevant. Hew was the best fighter there, the world just didn't discover it yet. Then, Jones became the best at 160 and handed it back over to Hoppkins as a matter of fact. Then, as soon as he moved up he was again the best at 168 after tearing Toney up for his first loss. Then, again, Roy went up to 175 and was imediately ranked first there as well. It's cool to have an opinion but you know nothing about boxing history outside of what Manny was doing in the 90's it seems.

When Roy fought Hopkins. Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan were better than Hopkins at MW. Hopkins wasn't the best MW when Roy fought him. Hopkins became the best MW few years later. But, just because B-Hop became the best MW few years later doesn't mean he was the best MW at the time he fought Roy. So Roy doesn't get the credit of "beating the best MW"

Yes go to bed, that will be the smartest thing you could do tonight.

[jrosales13]

Yes, I read this perfectly:

"Roy at his best at 175 maybe beats Tarver".

Don't you know how ignorant that was?

Look, Pac is amazing. He deserves mad credit, and he's getting it. However, if you look at everyone he's faced since Delahoya, they have all been strategically planned to make Pacquiao look unhuman.

All I'm saying is that Jones' win over Ruiz eclipses anything Pacquiao has done so far based on all the intangibles. You don't have to agree with me, you are entitled to your opinion, but it does look like more members agree with me than you.

Bye bye.

Followed by "Hell he beat Tarver the first time" so apparently you don't know how to read so well.

Ruiz win does not eclipse the Cotto win. And, doesn't even come close to the first Barrera win.

[Mr. Invincible]

Followed by "Hell he beat Tarver the first time" so apparently you don't know how to read so well.

Ruiz win does not eclipse the Cotto win. And, doesn't even come close to the first Barrera win.

Uhm, ok, Barrera had already lost several time before Pac beat him, notably when his losses to Junior Jones and Morales.

[jrosales13]

Uhm, ok, Barrera had already lost several time before Pac beat him, notably when his losses to Junior Jones and Morales.

And, your point is?

[RayLeonard82]

When Roy fought Hopkins. Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan were better than Hopkins at MW. Hopkins wasn't the best MW when Roy fought him. Hopkins became the best MW few years later. But, just because B-Hop became the best MW few years later doesn't mean he was the best MW at the time he fought Roy. So Roy doesn't get the credit of "beating the best MW"

Yes go to bed, that will be the smartest thing you could do tonight.

I disagree. I think Hopkins of 1993 takes both Julian Jackson and gerald mcclellan to school. Bernard was on a 22 fight win streak heading in to their match and displayed the funamentals that later made him champ.

1993 Hopkins is fundamentally more sound than both Jackson and McClellan.

[RayLeonard82]

I can see McClellan coming out very aggressive and trying to take Bernard out early without success. By the 5th round Hopkins would start picking him apart. The 1993 version of B-Hop

[jrosales13]

I disagree. I think Hopkins of 1993 takes both Julian Jackson and gerald mcclellan to school. Bernard was on a 22 fight win streak heading in to their match and displayed the funamentals that later made him champ.

1993 Hopkins is fundamentally more sound than both Jackson and McClellan.

I can see McClellan coming out very aggressive and trying to take Bernard out early without success. By the 5th round Hopkins would start picking him apart. The 1993 version of B-Hop

All that who would win in a fantasy fight is irrelevant.

It's who was considered the best in the division at the time. And, B-Hop wasn't considered the best in the division. He wasn't even ranked in the top 5 of the division.

And, that's the argument. Now who would win what in fantasy fight.