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  • Originally posted by myxmlcigar View Post
    First, this was an excellent post by David Greisman. Major Props!

    I posted these facts over a year ago on multiple boxing forums when this PED rumor was first ignited by Mayweather Sr. To my surprise, the orginal posts were reomoved by the Site Admins. I can only assume that truth is sometimes harder to swallow than innuendo, unsubstantiated insinuations, or rumors. Hopefully this post will stay up.


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    The Mayweather Family Saga
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    FACT: 1979 - Tony Sinclair (Mayweather Jr's Uncle) shoots Floyd Mayweather Sr. in the lower left leg with a 20-gauge ******* late on Jan. 21, 1979, after an ongoing argument.

    "I'd told Tony Sinclair, [brother of Deborah, Mayweather's mother] to move on from living with us. He came through the bedroom door with a *******. I said, "You gonna kill me? Well, do what you've got to do. But you're going to kill me and my baby." With Floyd in my arms I had a better chance. He shot my left leg. Blew off a piece of it. I continued fighting and became the number-one contender."


    FACT: 1993 - Mayweather Sr. and several others were convicted in 1993 of smuggling ******* in detergent boxes from 1987-92. Floyd senior received a five-year sentence for trafficking ******* from Chicago to Grand Rapids. Served 3 years.


    FACT: 2002 - Mayweather Jr. pleads guilty too two charges of domestic violence against Melissa, the mother of his eldest son.

    FACT: 2004 - Roger Mayweather serves six months for the battery of his two children's grandmother. He knocks out the two bottome teeth of the grandmother.

    FACT: 2004 - Mayweather Jr. was convicted on two counts of battery for punching two women at a Las Vegas nightclub the previous year (2003). He received a suspended one-year jail sentence and was ordered to undergo "impulse-control" counseling.

    FACT: 2004 - Mayweather Jr. receives community service for kicking a bouncer in a Grand Rapids bar.

    FACT: 2005 - Mayweather Jr. is acquitted of hitting the mother of his three children, Josie Harris at a Las Vegas nightclub on Dec. 27 2003. A jury acquitted him of the domestic violence charge, a felony, after the mother of his children recanted her story in court.

    Rumor: Josie Harris was paid an undiclosed monthly retainer by Floyd Jr. to recant her story.

    FACT: 2006 - Roger Mayweather starts a riot when he attacked Zab Judah during a bout with Floyd Jr. He was fined $200,000 and suspended for year. He was also jailed for six months for domestic assault that year in an unrelated incident.

    Fact: 2007 - Mayweather Sr. found out that he is the father of another boxer, Justin Jones. The DNA test proved positive. Mayweather Sr. and Justin Jones plan to start training together soon.

    FACT: 2009 - In August 2009, Roger Mayweather was arrested in Las Vegas for attacking one of his former female boxers. Mayweather allegedly hit her several times in the ribs, then tried to choke her, causing her to spit up blood when police arrived.

    Note: A Las Vegas judge had issued an arrest warrant for Roger Mayweather after the boxing trainer failed to show up for a court appearance on battery and coercion charges.

    FACT: 2009 - Las Vegas police investigating a shooting outside a skating rink seized two handguns, ammunition and two bulletproof vests from the home of boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. and two cars.

    FACT: 2009 - The IRS sends the Nevada Athletic Commission a levy notice on Sept. 4 2009 ordering Mayweather's unpaid taxes be deducted from his $10 million fight purse. Floyd Mayweather Jr. agrees to pay $5.6 million in back taxes before the Internal Revenue Service was poised to take the money from his purse after his comeback fight against Juan Manuel Marquez. The levy was not executed.

    FACT: 2009 - Mayweather Jr. comes in two pounds over the contracted-upon 144 pounds for his welterweight bout with Juan Manuel Marquez and pays a penalty fee of $300,000 for each extra pound.

    Note: Law suits from JP Morgan Chase, Vegas ***elers, and numerous homeowners liens were left out of the list.

    FACT: 2010 - In September 2010, Mayweather Jr is facing four felony charges, including robbery, larceny and coercion and four misdemeanor charges stemming from a domestic incident involving Josie Harris, the mother of three of his children. The coercion counts stem from Mayweather allegedly threatening to "beat" two of his children if they called 911 or left the house, according to the complaint.
    During the Sept. 9 argument with Harris, Mayweather allegedly grabbed her hair and threw her to the floor, the complaint stated.

    Fact: 2010 - Nov; Trial has been postponed to Sept. 1 for Floyd Mayweather Jr. on a misdemeanor battery charge stemming from allegations he poked a homeowner security guard in the face during an argument outside Mayweather's Las Vegas home. The misdemeanor case stems from allegations Mayweather poked the 21-year-old association guard during an argument in November about parking tickets in the gated community where Mayweather lives.

    Fact: 2011 - Mayweather Jr's Home Owners Association files a civil complaint against him. According to the report, the community alleges that Mayweather has continuously engaged in hostile, harassing, and threatening behavior against certain employees, and has refused to provide his identification to gate officers.

    Fact: 2011 - IRS files a $3.4 million lien against Mayweather Jr. for unpaid taxes stemming from 2009.

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    Final Thoughts

    Excluding the rumor mill stuff, which I don't find improberable at all, it's freakin amazing that anybody would lend any credibility to anything that comes out of the Mayweather's mouths. Past history shows a clear pattern of drug trafficking, domestic violence, and a total disregard for the RULES and law - I'm not just talking about boxing rules here, but rules in life!

    For idots like the Mayweathers to even question Pacquiao's integrity, is much like a drug-dealer questioning the ethics of a thief. It's f***ing hypocritcal!

    And all you Mayweather fan's questioning Manny's ability to exceed all expectations and attributing it to PED usage; it's just another excuse. You need to find something to take down that little asian that you so desperately hate and want to see loose. So instead of Manny being taken down in the ring, you resort to personal integrity attacks ignited by a convicted felon. You lazy ass loosers need to A) get a job B) learn the meaning of hard work and doing something with purpose and conviction C) Produce some sort of pattern on Manny. Anything! But please, don't spew out the same verbal diahhrea that you 'think' he's using something because Manny has been able to do what he has moving up. That's just speculation. There's nothing wrong with speculation but you need to back it up with something!

    Here's my speculation rooted in the evidence and pattterns:

    1. Floyd Jr. is more adept and willing to beat on the mother of his childeren. He's definitely not afraid to take on any challengers, as long as they are women!!

    2. Uncle Roger has no respect for anybody. How the hell does anybody beat the **** out of a grandmother? He must be taking some serious "A-side meth".

    3. Floyd Sr. is still dealing drugs. Alright, that's not fair... I take that back. But there's something fishy about Floyd Sr.... Really brah... I think he's on something. Ain't nuttin right about the guy... I mean, how the hell can anybody be that ****** without being gooped up on gop? I'm tellin ya man... he's on something.

    4. And the most de****able testament to Floyd Sr's character is in his own words, "With Floyd in my arms I had a better chance. He shot my left leg. Blew off a piece of it. I continued fighting and became the number-one contender."

    What the f**k? How any father would jeopardize the life of his own child to protect his own is disturbing and down right insane!

    These baseless claims on Pacquaio's character are no longer isolated to the ring. It's become a personal witch hunt. And if you want to have a character debate between Pacquiao and Mayweather - Pac will win hands down. Mayweather Jr. has risen out of poverty through hard work. I can respect the guy for that. But so has Manny. The difference is Mayweather Jr. is doomed to repeat all the mistakes from his past. His actions don't prove otherwise!

    -RM

    Ps - I don't truly believe that all Floyd fan's are out of a job or need to learn the value of hard work. Just some of them.



    i don't think anybody is dis*****g that the Mayweather family lacks credibility and has a criminal history.

    All i am saying (and others) personally is this:

    It was team MP's actions and comments that blew this PED issue up. Mayweather Sr was making accusations right after the Cotto win. Not many people paid attention. Not many people even paid attention when DiBella mentioned the oddities of how MP's camps are run. It was after Team MP made OST such a big issue in the January negotiations of the following year that the ruckus began, particularly because of the number of differing, contradictiory and often comical excuses provided. That's what poured fuel on a small camp fire and tunred it inot a wild forest fire.

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    • Originally posted by PennyAnd1 View Post
      WTF! Damn this guy is a hardneck like those people whom Moses led out into the wilderness.. Pac then agreed to the 14 days. He then agreed to the FOURTEEN daaaays. Again I repeat, he then AGREED TO THE, whooooo! 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14 days. Are you getting it now?? ?? probably not.

      But anyways, he then agreed to 7 days, and even went on to mention that he'll agree with the random test if the commissioner tells him. Not some guy named FLoyd. Who's Floyd?
      When did he agree to 14 days? After Mayweather fought Mosley and said that now he changed his terms to up to the fight. Convenient for Pac to agree to 14 days after Floyd said that deal was off the table. Also I remember Pac telling Khan that he is not mentally ready to take the tests and that was AFTER. Why all the flip flopping? I can tell that my posts have affected you because I can see how frustrated you are and I am keeping it totally civil. Did it ever occur to you that it was awfully su****ious how Clottey was a done deal before everyone walked away from the table of the first failed negotiations?

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      • Originally posted by PAKYO View Post
        You are still in denial that there was indeed a 2nd negotiation as validated by floyd himself on his video rants with FightHype?
        Ok, maybe it was but my thing is. Why should it have been a 2nd negotiation if Pac really wanted to fight Floyd? Got an excuse...... I mean, answer for that?

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        • Originally posted by PennyAnd1 View Post
          If you ever needed proof of how Floyd-d*cksuckers can't accept the fact that Pac rules & Floyd, their God, is not a bad guy & everything he says is right. This--> Lupin III is your number 1 lb-4-lb ****** right here. Gimme a hell yeah! HELL YEAH! A$$
          There you go. Thanks for proving my point(s). Floyd Mayweather Jr is a loud mouth douche sometimes outside the ring but one thing I cannot deny is that homie was there to make the fight and Pac wasn't when it counted. Can you ATLEAST admit that?

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          • some floyd fans are really obsessed with this. 3000 non-boxing sites have received "the article"

            dazed must have been laid off or something

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            • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
              Why should it have been 2 rounds of negotiations when Pac could have done it in one?
              Damn. Debating with you is like talking to a wall. It's called "negotiating" for a freakin reason. Not DICTATING TERMS!!! Do you get it?

              Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
              What is your excuse for Manny not taking the fight in the first negotiations? Do you have a credible and valid reason why he walked away?
              Holy crap. Go re-read my post!

              Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
              If you are trying to blame Floyd for the fight not happening now, what did you say about Manny then?
              You know what. Round 1 negotiations, I blame both fighters and promoters equally. Round 2 negotiations, it's all on Floyd. We all know it!! Round 3 negotiations - well Mayweather's not fighting and there were NO Round 3 negotiations! Get it?

              You ask why I'm blaming Floyd for the fight not happening now? The keyword being now! Not in the past, not a year ago, but NOW! Because Floyd doesn't want to fight Manny! !


              Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
              Those are the FACTS. 2nd negotiations don't mean squat because if Pac wanted to fight Floyd so bad then he would not need a 2nd go around.
              Whew. It's pointless debating with you bro. I give up! You're right about everything. Yup. I admit it. Based on your logic, only the 1st round of negotiations mattered and the 2nd had zero bearing. Right?

              We might as well only have 1 Round fights then. Afterall, it's only the first Round of Boxing that matters based on your logic.

              Life is not about getting what you want when you want it. It requires compromise, patience, and negotiations. If it doesn't happen the first time, you step up and do it again. And if it doesn't happen the second time, you step up and do it again - and again, and again. This breeds success! When it comes to the Pac/Mayweather negotiations, Mayweather is the ultimate looser. Both in his personal life and in the Ring!

              Grustler: you can keep looking to the past, or towards the future. When it comes to the Pac/May fight not happening now, it falls squarely on Floyd's shoulders.
              Last edited by myxmlcigar; 05-16-2011, 04:26 AM.

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              • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
                Ok, maybe it was but my thing is. Why should it have been a 2nd negotiation if Pac really wanted to fight Floyd? Got an excuse...... I mean, answer for that?
                Why would i make an excuse for Pac, you heard/read everything already what Pac's excuse was, i'm not his paid hack like some people here...

                If you want my opinion...the 2nd nego was Pac bending to floyd's demands since the reason i think the first did not push through was due to an ego clash.

                2nd nego it was floyd trying to level up his ego, but as the days go by seeing Pac mauling all his opponents, floyd seems to have lost interest with the fight as he must hast have deemed it is getting too risky for his zero.

                Now that's my opinion...


                For truthness.
                Floyd's gay.

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                • Manny Pacquiao whole argument about him giving blood mentally/physically weakens him is a lame excuse. Funny how he used the first Morales loss as his argument to not commit to the testing but he also had so many other excuses on why he lost that fight and the giving blood weakens him excuse was not the one on top of the list.

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                  • Originally posted by check hook View Post
                    i don't think anybody is dis*****g that the Mayweather family lacks credibility and has a criminal history.

                    All i am saying (and others) personally is this:

                    It was team MP's actions and comments that blew this PED issue up. Mayweather Sr was making accusations right after the Cotto win. Not many people paid attention. Not many people even paid attention when DiBella mentioned the oddities of how MP's camps are run. It was after Team MP made OST such a big issue in the January negotiations of the following year that the ruckus began, particularly because of the number of differing, contradictiory and often comical excuses provided. That's what poured fuel on a small camp fire and tunred it inot a wild forest fire.
                    Point taken!

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                    • Originally posted by trainhard_187 View Post
                      What baffles me is that Pacquiao who HAS NEVER TESTED POSITIVE, NEVER ASSOCIATED HIMSELF WITH PED SUPPLIERS OR DRs., and HAS NEVER HAD ANY REAL LEGITIMATE MEMBER OR FORMER MEMBER OF HIS CAMP COME OUT AND SAY PAC HAS USED STERIODS, but PAC IS GETTING ALL THIS HEAT ABOUT THE PED ISSUE.

                      Now on the other hand Mosley HAS associated himself with Balco, Donaire and Ward both work with Victor Conte and still PAC GETS ALL THE HEAT FOR PEDs just cause he told Floyd NO your not the NSAC commission, you dont call those types of rules..

                      Like this article says, people are easy swindled especially if their is no other reason why Pac has either beat your favorite fighter or is talked about as being BETTER then your favorite fighter.. "Well, he must be doping" SMH at these simpletons..
                      Shane never tested positive either.

                      Pac's trainer and nutritionist have both been involved with juicers.

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