Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: Pacquiao/Steroids: Rumor Creates Ruckus

[GRUSTLER]

Again, it's quite simple. If the Boxing commissioner requires it, then Pac will agree with it. It's no-brainer.

Bull**** cop out excuse. This response shows me that Pac fans don't want to see Manny take the tests and make the fight. Answer me this. Would you take the tests if you were Pac?

[GRUSTLER]

It's better than being d*ck ridding Floydapu$$. I bet you enjoyed clogging your mouth with FLoyd's d!ck while he dances with the cowboi stars.
And 1 --> New York Giants rulez!

So you are admitting what he said about you in his post as the truth?

[myxmlcigar]

Apparently YOU haven't been following the negotiations because Mayweather always wanted it in the first negotiations but Pac didn't. Manny wanted 24 days and Floyd wanted 14 days. Already trying to change history to protect Pac. Below is EXACTLY what happened......

Are you dyslectic or something bro? I just stated in my post there were TWO rounds of negotiations! Re-Read my post! Mayweather wanted 14 days in the first round of negotiations. Manny didn't agree but later he conceded. Then Mayweather decides that it's all the way upto the day of the fight.

How can ANYONE say that Floyd is the reason this fight didn't happen when Manny was the one that didn't agree to fight in the first place? Tell me how come Floyd is scared and Manny is not?

Errr... hello!!!!! I just posted that it was Ross Greenburg (the pres. of HBO Boxing) that was quoted as saying Mayweahter didn't want the fight. And I'm sure he had the inside track on the 2nd round negotiations.

"Both times I thought we'd be able to make the fight, it didn't happen," Greenburg said. "The second time, I don't know why it didn't happen. You need to talk to Floyd Mayweather about that. I don't know why he wouldn't fight Manny this fall."

How can anyone ask why are people questioning Manny Pacquiao now? what is the excuse for the fight not happening? Simple. It's because Pacquiao don't want to take the tests and mainly because Arum don't want to make it.

Simple. As Ross Greenburg said, " I don't know why he (Floyd Mayweather Jr.) wouldn't fight Manny this fall." -- Ross Greenburg HBO Boxig Pres. on ESPN with Dan Rafael

Btw. All of your quotes from those clipping are from the first round of negotiations and are coming from Richard Shcaffer. I didn't quote Bob Arum, because it would obviously be biased towards Pacquiao.

And to answer your question, "How can anyone ask why are people questioning Manny Pacquiao now?" -- Because the seed of this question was planted by the Mayweathers. And it's entirely baseless! Get it?

[PennyAnd1]

[SIZE="4"]Apparently YOU haven't been following the negotiations because Mayweather always wanted it in the first negotiations but Pac didn't. Manny wanted 24 days and Floyd wanted 14 days. Already trying to change history to protect Pac. Below is EXACTLY what happened......

WTF! Damn this guy is a hardneck like those people whom Moses led out into the wilderness.. Pac then agreed to the 14 days. He then agreed to the FOURTEEN daaaays. Again I repeat, he then AGREED TO THE, whooooo! 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14, 14 days. Are you getting it now?? ?? probably not.

But anyways, he then agreed to 7 days, and even went on to mention that he'll agree with the random test if the commissioner tells him. Not some guy named FLoyd. Who's Floyd?

[MidBoss]

But the fact that Pac has bended over to meet Floyds original demands and you still have close minded simpletons who really cant think for themselves..

Truth is Pac has bended over to the demands but now the demands have changed AGAIN...

It might not matter on the night of the fight, but Pacquiao agreeing to Floyd's demand to call the fight Mayweather-Pacquiao, instead of Pacquiao-Mayweather was a HUGE gesture.

[PennyAnd1]

Bull**** cop out excuse. This response shows me that Pac fans don't want to see Manny take the tests and make the fight. Answer me this. Would you take the tests if you were Pac?

Coming from FLoyd to tell me what to do? If Floyd gives me the 70-30% of the pie hell yeah I'll take the test. That's the price it'll take.

Now let me ask you. If you were given 50-100million cash insurance to fight Pac, knowing you're the best, and knowing you need cash, will you or will you not accept it? I know I would. I mean c'mon..what did Pac ever do to me?

cheers homie

[PAKYO]

First, this was an excellent post by David Greisman. Major Props!

I posted these facts over a year ago on multiple boxing forums when this PED rumor was first ignited by Mayweather Sr. To my surprise, the orginal posts were reomoved by the Site Admins. I can only assume that truth is sometimes harder to swallow than innuendo, unsubstantiated insinuations, or rumors. Hopefully this post will stay up.


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The Mayweather Family Saga
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FACT: 1979 - Tony Sinclair (Mayweather Jr's Uncle) shoots Floyd Mayweather Sr. in the lower left leg with a 20-gauge ******* late on Jan. 21, 1979, after an ongoing argument.

"I'd told Tony Sinclair, [brother of Deborah, Mayweather's mother] to move on from living with us. He came through the bedroom door with a *******. I said, "You gonna kill me? Well, do what you've got to do. But you're going to kill me and my baby." With Floyd in my arms I had a better chance. He shot my left leg. Blew off a piece of it. I continued fighting and became the number-one contender."


FACT: 1993 - Mayweather Sr. and several others were convicted in 1993 of smuggling ******* in detergent boxes from 1987-92. Floyd senior received a five-year sentence for trafficking ******* from Chicago to Grand Rapids. Served 3 years.


FACT: 2002 - Mayweather Jr. pleads guilty too two charges of domestic violence against Melissa, the mother of his eldest son.

FACT: 2004 - Roger Mayweather serves six months for the battery of his two children's grandmother. He knocks out the two bottome teeth of the grandmother.

FACT: 2004 - Mayweather Jr. was convicted on two counts of battery for punching two women at a Las Vegas nightclub the previous year (2003). He received a suspended one-year jail sentence and was ordered to undergo "impulse-control" counseling.

FACT: 2004 - Mayweather Jr. receives community service for kicking a bouncer in a Grand Rapids bar.

FACT: 2005 - Mayweather Jr. is acquitted of hitting the mother of his three children, Josie Harris at a Las Vegas nightclub on Dec. 27 2003. A jury acquitted him of the domestic violence charge, a felony, after the mother of his children recanted her story in court.

Rumor: Josie Harris was paid an undiclosed monthly retainer by Floyd Jr. to recant her story.

FACT: 2006 - Roger Mayweather starts a riot when he attacked Zab Judah during a bout with Floyd Jr. He was fined $200,000 and suspended for year. He was also jailed for six months for domestic assault that year in an unrelated incident.

Fact: 2007 - Mayweather Sr. found out that he is the father of another boxer, Justin Jones. The DNA test proved positive. Mayweather Sr. and Justin Jones plan to start training together soon.

FACT: 2009 - In August 2009, Roger Mayweather was arrested in Las Vegas for attacking one of his former female boxers. Mayweather allegedly hit her several times in the ribs, then tried to choke her, causing her to spit up blood when police arrived.

Note: A Las Vegas judge had issued an arrest warrant for Roger Mayweather after the boxing trainer failed to show up for a court appearance on battery and coercion charges.

FACT: 2009 - Las Vegas police investigating a shooting outside a skating rink seized two handguns, ammunition and two bulletproof vests from the home of boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. and two cars.

FACT: 2009 - The IRS sends the Nevada Athletic Commission a levy notice on Sept. 4 2009 ordering Mayweather's unpaid taxes be deducted from his $10 million fight purse. Floyd Mayweather Jr. agrees to pay $5.6 million in back taxes before the Internal Revenue Service was poised to take the money from his purse after his comeback fight against Juan Manuel Marquez. The levy was not executed.

FACT: 2009 - Mayweather Jr. comes in two pounds over the contracted-upon 144 pounds for his welterweight bout with Juan Manuel Marquez and pays a penalty fee of $300,000 for each extra pound.

Note: Law suits from JP Morgan Chase, Vegas ***elers, and numerous homeowners liens were left out of the list.

FACT: 2010 - In September 2010, Mayweather Jr is facing four felony charges, including robbery, larceny and coercion and four misdemeanor charges stemming from a domestic incident involving Josie Harris, the mother of three of his children. The coercion counts stem from Mayweather allegedly threatening to "beat" two of his children if they called 911 or left the house, according to the complaint.
During the Sept. 9 argument with Harris, Mayweather allegedly grabbed her hair and threw her to the floor, the complaint stated.

Fact: 2010 - Nov; Trial has been postponed to Sept. 1 for Floyd Mayweather Jr. on a misdemeanor battery charge stemming from allegations he poked a homeowner security guard in the face during an argument outside Mayweather's Las Vegas home. The misdemeanor case stems from allegations Mayweather poked the 21-year-old association guard during an argument in November about parking tickets in the gated community where Mayweather lives.

Fact: 2011 - Mayweather Jr's Home Owners Association files a civil complaint against him. According to the report, the community alleges that Mayweather has continuously engaged in hostile, harassing, and threatening behavior against certain employees, and has refused to provide his identification to gate officers.

Fact: 2011 - IRS files a $3.4 million lien against Mayweather Jr. for unpaid taxes stemming from 2009.

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Final Thoughts

Excluding the rumor mill stuff, which I don't find improberable at all, it's freakin amazing that anybody would lend any credibility to anything that comes out of the Mayweather's mouths. Past history shows a clear pattern of drug trafficking, domestic violence, and a total disregard for the RULES and law - I'm not just talking about boxing rules here, but rules in life!

For idots like the Mayweathers to even question Pacquiao's integrity, is much like a drug-dealer questioning the ethics of a thief. It's f***ing hypocritcal!

And all you Mayweather fan's questioning Manny's ability to exceed all expectations and attributing it to PED usage; it's just another excuse. You need to find something to take down that little asian that you so desperately hate and want to see loose. So instead of Manny being taken down in the ring, you resort to personal integrity attacks ignited by a convicted felon. You lazy ass loosers need to A) get a job B) learn the meaning of hard work and doing something with purpose and conviction C) Produce some sort of pattern on Manny. Anything! But please, don't spew out the same verbal diahhrea that you 'think' he's using something because Manny has been able to do what he has moving up. That's just speculation. There's nothing wrong with speculation but you need to back it up with something!

Here's my speculation rooted in the evidence and pattterns:

1. Floyd Jr. is more adept and willing to beat on the mother of his childeren. He's definitely not afraid to take on any challengers, as long as they are women!!

2. Uncle Roger has no respect for anybody. How the hell does anybody beat the **** out of a grandmother? He must be taking some serious "A-side meth".

3. Floyd Sr. is still dealing drugs. Alright, that's not fair... I take that back. But there's something fishy about Floyd Sr.... Really brah... I think he's on something. Ain't nuttin right about the guy... I mean, how the hell can anybody be that ****** without being gooped up on gop? I'm tellin ya man... he's on something.

4. And the most de****able testament to Floyd Sr's character is in his own words, "With Floyd in my arms I had a better chance. He shot my left leg. Blew off a piece of it. I continued fighting and became the number-one contender."

What the f**k? How any father would jeopardize the life of his own child to protect his own is disturbing and down right insane!

These baseless claims on Pacquaio's character are no longer isolated to the ring. It's become a personal witch hunt. And if you want to have a character debate between Pacquiao and Mayweather - Pac will win hands down. Mayweather Jr. has risen out of poverty through hard work. I can respect the guy for that. But so has Manny. The difference is Mayweather Jr. is doomed to repeat all the mistakes from his past. His actions don't prove otherwise!

-RM

Ps - I don't truly believe that all Floyd fan's are out of a job or need to learn the value of hard work. Just some of them.

This one deserve its own thread and should be stickied.

[GRUSTLER]

Are you dyslectic or something bro? I just stated in my post there were TWO rounds of negotiations! Re-Read my post! Mayweather wanted 14 days in the first round of negotiations. Manny didn't agree but later he conceded. Then Mayweather decides that it's all the way upto the day of the fight.

Errr... hello!!!!! I just posted that it was Ross Greenburg (the pres. of HBO Boxing) that was quoted as saying Mayweahter didn't want the fight. And I'm sure he had the inside track on the 2nd round negotiations.

"Both times I thought we'd be able to make the fight, it didn't happen," Greenburg said. "The second time, I don't know why it didn't happen. You need to talk to Floyd Mayweather about that. I don't know why he wouldn't fight Manny this fall."

Simple. As Ross Greenburg said, " I don't know why he (Floyd Mayweather Jr.) wouldn't fight Mann this fall." -- Ross Greenburg HBO Boxig Pres. on ESPN with Dan Rafael

Btw. All of your quotes from those clipping are from the first round of negotiations and are coming from Richard Shcaffer. I didn't quote Bob Arum, because it would obviously be biased towards Pacquiao.

And to answer your question, "How can anyone ask why are people questioning Manny Pacquiao now?" -- Because the seed of this question was planted by the Mayweathers. And it's entirely baseless! Get it?

Why should it have been 2 rounds of negotiations when Pac could have done it in one? What is your excuse for Manny not taking the fight in the first negotiations? Do you have a credible and valid reason why he walked away? If you are trying to blame Floyd for the fight not happening now, what did you say about Manny then? The realness of it, is that the fight should have happened but Pac didn't agree to the tests. Floyd only said after he beat Mosley that it was up until the fight because Shane was #1 at WW and also the guy Roach and Pac didn't want no part of after he beat Margarito. Floyd said loud and clear what it was after Mosley and no peep out of Pac.

All we got was a sketchy 2nd negotiation and a Top Rank clock? The first negotiations for me was the one that counted. No excuses on why Pac would refuse to give in to random testing considering he was down to do 24 so why not 14? I don't even have to go in on Pac fans because you guys stay revealing yourselves. Floyd is all of this but Pac ain't when at the end of the day Pac deaded the fight when all was at the table? Pac ducked Floyd, the random testing or both.

Those are the FACTS. 2nd negotiations don't mean squat because if Pac wanted to fight Floyd so bad then he would not need a 2nd go around. Your argument is weak but it does prove one thing and that is. Bob Arum's marketing and promotion strategies are top notch because guys like you bought it hook line and sinker. Just off of the fact that Manny said this regarding a fight with Mayweather "If the fans want it then I will fight him" Dude ain't even motivated to fight Mayweather. Get out of here with that BULL****.

[PAKYO]

Why should it have been 2 rounds of negotiations when Pac could have done it in one? What is your excuse for Manny not taking the fight in the first negotiations? Do you have a credible and valid reason why he walked away? If you are trying to blame Floyd for the fight not happening now, what did you say about Manny then? The realness of it, is that the fight should have happened but Pac didn't agree to the tests. Floyd only said after he beat Mosley that it was up until the fight because Shane was #1 at WW and also the guy Roach and Pac didn't want no part of after he beat Margarito. Floyd said loud and clear what it was after Mosley and no peep out of Pac.

All we got was a sketchy 2nd negotiation and a Top Rank clock? The first negotiations for me was the one that counted. No excuses on why Pac would refuse to give in to random testing considering he was down to do 24 so why not 14? I don't even have to go in on Pac fans because you guys stay revealing yourselves. Floyd is all of this but Pac ain't when at the end of the day Pac deaded the fight when all was at the table? Pac ducked Floyd, the random testing or both.

Those are the FACTS. 2nd negotiations don't mean squat because if Pac wanted to fight Floyd so bad then he would not need a 2nd go around. Your argument is weak but it does prove one thing and that is. Bob Arum's marketing and promotion strategies are top notch because guys like you bought it hook line and sinker. Just off of the fact that Manny said this regarding a fight with Mayweather "If the fans want it then I will fight him" Dude ain't even motivated to fight Mayweather. Get out of here with that BULL****.

You are still in denial that there was indeed a 2nd negotiation as validated by floyd himself on his video rants with FightHype?

[GRUSTLER]

Coming from FLoyd to tell me what to do? If Floyd gives me the 70-30% of the pie hell yeah I'll take the test. That's the price it'll take.

Now let me ask you. If you were given 50-100million cash insurance to fight Pac, knowing you're the best, and knowing you need cash, will you or will you not accept it? I know I would. I mean c'mon..what did Pac ever do to me?

cheers homie

So you are saying that Manny deserves 70% and Floyd deserves 30%? Are you bugging? Mayweather has set a record PPV wise that Manny Pacquaio will NEVER break unless he fights Floyd. Floyd didn't tell Manny what to do but instead made a simple request. Same as Pac did. What makes Manny so special that he can't honor a request but can make them and expect it to be honored? Business don't work like that homie. People were making an excuse that Floyd wouldn't even accept 50/50 but he did to make the fight AND to top it off..... "MONEY" Mayweather agreed to a 10 MILLION weight penalty for every pound over 147 and WE know how much Floyd loves money and yet Pac couldn't agree to give blood? Wasn't like he just told Pac to take it. He was going to do it himself. Are you telling me that Floyd was also accusing himself? Get out of here with that BULL****.... Pac fans know the deal but just don't want to face the truth and the facts. Stop protecting Manny Pacquiao because everyday he is being exposed by his own team and his fans look ****** for continuing to back him up.