Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: Pacquiao/Steroids: Rumor Creates Ruckus

[PennyAnd1]

You mean Pac affect...I've never been affected by a blood test. Keep hope..I mean keep dope alive Pac stans...Keep dope alive.

No I mean Pac-EFFECT. As in the effect it caused you to go koko for locopuffs from the a$$ kickin' your hombres got, and with all due respect, Morales, Barrera, Marquez, Margarito Are great & exciting fighter. But sorry mi amigo? No Mexican can top Pac. Don't worry ese! When Pac retires, Mexico will rule again. Orale. Arriba La Raza!

[PennyAnd1]

I"m willing to bet that *******s don't think Pacquiao ever farts, have bad breath, swears or have any bad habits. The man is just plain perfect isn't he?

See how gullible you are? you just owned your own a$$. A$$hole! lol. I'm just messin' with cowboi..

[myxmlcigar]

Facts! Not speculation, innuendo, or rumors. Period!

First, this was an excellent post by David Greisman. Major Props!

I posted these facts over a year ago on multiple boxing forums when this PED rumor was first ignited by Mayweather Sr. To my surprise, the orginal posts were reomoved by the Site Admins. I can only assume that truth is sometimes harder to swallow than innuendo, unsubstantiated insinuations, or rumors. Hopefully this post will stay up.


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The Mayweather Family Saga
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FACT: 1979 - Tony Sinclair (Mayweather Jr's Uncle) shoots Floyd Mayweather Sr. in the lower left leg with a 20-gauge ******* late on Jan. 21, 1979, after an ongoing argument.

"I'd told Tony Sinclair, [brother of Deborah, Mayweather's mother] to move on from living with us. He came through the bedroom door with a *******. I said, "You gonna kill me? Well, do what you've got to do. But you're going to kill me and my baby." With Floyd in my arms I had a better chance. He shot my left leg. Blew off a piece of it. I continued fighting and became the number-one contender."


FACT: 1993 - Mayweather Sr. and several others were convicted in 1993 of smuggling ******* in detergent boxes from 1987-92. Floyd senior received a five-year sentence for trafficking ******* from Chicago to Grand Rapids. Served 3 years.


FACT: 2002 - Mayweather Jr. pleads guilty too two charges of domestic violence against Melissa, the mother of his eldest son.

FACT: 2004 - Roger Mayweather serves six months for the battery of his two children's grandmother. He knocks out the two bottome teeth of the grandmother.

FACT: 2004 - Mayweather Jr. was convicted on two counts of battery for punching two women at a Las Vegas nightclub the previous year (2003). He received a suspended one-year jail sentence and was ordered to undergo "impulse-control" counseling.

FACT: 2004 - Mayweather Jr. receives community service for kicking a bouncer in a Grand Rapids bar.

FACT: 2005 - Mayweather Jr. is acquitted of hitting the mother of his three children, Josie Harris at a Las Vegas nightclub on Dec. 27 2003. A jury acquitted him of the domestic violence charge, a felony, after the mother of his children recanted her story in court.

Rumor: Josie Harris was paid an undiclosed monthly retainer by Floyd Jr. to recant her story.

FACT: 2006 - Roger Mayweather starts a riot when he attacked Zab Judah during a bout with Floyd Jr. He was fined $200,000 and suspended for year. He was also jailed for six months for domestic assault that year in an unrelated incident.

Fact: 2007 - Mayweather Sr. found out that he is the father of another boxer, Justin Jones. The DNA test proved positive. Mayweather Sr. and Justin Jones plan to start training together soon.

FACT: 2009 - In August 2009, Roger Mayweather was arrested in Las Vegas for attacking one of his former female boxers. Mayweather allegedly hit her several times in the ribs, then tried to choke her, causing her to spit up blood when police arrived.

Note: A Las Vegas judge had issued an arrest warrant for Roger Mayweather after the boxing trainer failed to show up for a court appearance on battery and coercion charges.

FACT: 2009 - Las Vegas police investigating a shooting outside a skating rink seized two handguns, ammunition and two bulletproof vests from the home of boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. and two cars.

FACT: 2009 - The IRS sends the Nevada Athletic Commission a levy notice on Sept. 4 2009 ordering Mayweather's unpaid taxes be deducted from his $10 million fight purse. Floyd Mayweather Jr. agrees to pay $5.6 million in back taxes before the Internal Revenue Service was poised to take the money from his purse after his comeback fight against Juan Manuel Marquez. The levy was not executed.

FACT: 2009 - Mayweather Jr. comes in two pounds over the contracted-upon 144 pounds for his welterweight bout with Juan Manuel Marquez and pays a penalty fee of $300,000 for each extra pound.

Note: Law suits from JP Morgan Chase, Vegas ***elers, and numerous homeowners liens were left out of the list.

FACT: 2010 - In September 2010, Mayweather Jr is facing four felony charges, including robbery, larceny and coercion and four misdemeanor charges stemming from a domestic incident involving Josie Harris, the mother of three of his children. The coercion counts stem from Mayweather allegedly threatening to "beat" two of his children if they called 911 or left the house, according to the complaint.
During the Sept. 9 argument with Harris, Mayweather allegedly grabbed her hair and threw her to the floor, the complaint stated.

Fact: 2010 - Nov; Trial has been postponed to Sept. 1 for Floyd Mayweather Jr. on a misdemeanor battery charge stemming from allegations he poked a homeowner security guard in the face during an argument outside Mayweather's Las Vegas home. The misdemeanor case stems from allegations Mayweather poked the 21-year-old association guard during an argument in November about parking tickets in the gated community where Mayweather lives.

Fact: 2011 - Mayweather Jr's Home Owners Association files a civil complaint against him. According to the report, the community alleges that Mayweather has continuously engaged in hostile, harassing, and threatening behavior against certain employees, and has refused to provide his identification to gate officers.

Fact: 2011 - IRS files a $3.4 million lien against Mayweather Jr. for unpaid taxes stemming from 2009.

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Final Thoughts

Excluding the rumor mill stuff, which I don't find improberable at all, it's freakin amazing that anybody would lend any credibility to anything that comes out of the Mayweather's mouths. Past history shows a clear pattern of drug trafficking, domestic violence, and a total disregard for the RULES and law - I'm not just talking about boxing rules here, but rules in life!

For idots like the Mayweathers to even question Pacquiao's integrity, is much like a drug-dealer questioning the ethics of a thief. It's f***ing hypocritcal!

And all you Mayweather fan's questioning Manny's ability to exceed all expectations and attributing it to PED usage; it's just another excuse. You need to find something to take down that little asian that you so desperately hate and want to see loose. So instead of Manny being taken down in the ring, you resort to personal integrity attacks ignited by a convicted felon. You lazy ass loosers need to A) get a job B) learn the meaning of hard work and doing something with purpose and conviction C) Produce some sort of pattern on Manny. Anything! But please, don't spew out the same verbal diahhrea that you 'think' he's using something because Manny has been able to do what he has moving up. That's just speculation. There's nothing wrong with speculation but you need to back it up with something!

Here's my speculation rooted in the evidence and pattterns:

1. Floyd Jr. is more adept and willing to beat on the mother of his childeren. He's definitely not afraid to take on any challengers, as long as they are women!!

2. Uncle Roger has no respect for anybody. How the hell does anybody beat the **** out of a grandmother? He must be taking some serious "A-side meth".

3. Floyd Sr. is still dealing drugs. Alright, that's not fair... I take that back. But there's something fishy about Floyd Sr.... Really brah... I think he's on something. Ain't nuttin right about the guy... I mean, how the hell can anybody be that ****** without being gooped up on gop? I'm tellin ya man... he's on something.

4. And the most de****able testament to Floyd Sr's character is in his own words, "With Floyd in my arms I had a better chance. He shot my left leg. Blew off a piece of it. I continued fighting and became the number-one contender."

What the f**k? How any father would jeopardize the life of his own child to protect his own is disturbing and down right insane!

These baseless claims on Pacquaio's character are no longer isolated to the ring. It's become a personal witch hunt. And if you want to have a character debate between Pacquiao and Mayweather - Pac will win hands down. Mayweather Jr. has risen out of poverty through hard work. I can respect the guy for that. But so has Manny. The difference is Mayweather Jr. is doomed to repeat all the mistakes from his past. His actions don't prove otherwise!

-RM

Ps - I don't truly believe that all Floyd fan's are out of a job or need to learn the value of hard work. Just some of them.

[PennyAnd1]

I'm not a Floyd fan *******. He doesn't make action fights. I actually would prefer to watch Pacquiao over Floyd any day.

You see *******s like you are so sprung off Pacquiao's dic k that you think any one who disagress with him or have something bad to say about him is a Floyd fan.

And I aint a ******* Floidapu$$. But hey why not. There's no problem for being a black ******* right. I just like fighters like Pac who gives it his all. Still, I like defending the man being accused than the man accusing. So ok, I'll be ******* & you'll be Floidapu$$. It aint bad! we compliment each other bro. It's just like Batman & Joker yo! you complete me. here's your bottle

[GRUSTLER]

All I have to say is that if Manny would have taken the tests from the get go instead of making sooooo many excuses about why not to and then getting exposed by HBO 24/7 in regards to the "weak" excuse then no one would even think Pac is on something. I remember in highschool when a friend of mine got caught cheating and when asked to prove that he didn't, he couldn't do it so instead he got upset and cursed the teacher out to get out of it. I NEVER believed Manny Pacquiao was on anything, EVEN when Floyd Sr starting talking about it because as we know. Sr is one crazy old coot. Pac's refusal after Roach said he would agree to whatever tests make me a lil skeptical. On top of that, if Pac didn't want to take the tests, then fine but the fact that he had soooo many different excuses on why not to, made things worst for him.

If he would have taken the tests (if he was clean) and fought Floyd win or lose, no one would have thought about it. The fact that the biggest fight still hasn't happened because mainly of Manny's reluctance to submit to random testing has raised the eyebrows of basically everyone. Floyd is not totally blameless because he is not pressuring to fight either but I think mainly because Arum don't really want to make it happen. Pac is fighting guys like Margarito and Mosley, who according to Arum "are not competitive but mainly entertainment". No way does he put his biggest cash machine in the ring with an actual fighter that can beat Pac. ESPECIALLY someone Arum hates like Floyd. Arum has said, he doesn't want to work with Floyd, any other promoter or fighter unless they leave and are under his umbrella.

How su****ious are Arum's motives? Floyd is to blame too because he wants to get props but don't want to step up because of his ego and push Pac to fight. The only reason why this steroid issue is a hot topic is because Pac made it that way. the best way to kill all the rumors is to clear your name. sure no one should have to prove themselves if you are true to yourself but even the President had to whip out his birth certificate because no matter how ridiculous it sounded. dude had to prove that he was legit. Manny aint trying to do that but want people to believe he is clean? PROVE IT! Because now it is VERY necessary.

[antrob]

And I aint a ******* Floidapu$$. But hey why not. There's no problem for baing a black ******* right. I just like fighters like Pac who gives it his all. Still, I like defending the man being accused than the man accusing. So ok, I'll be ******* & you'll be Floidapu$$. It aint bad! we compliment each other bro. It's just like Batman & Joker yo! you complete me. here's your bottle

Nah you're a dic k ridding *******. Quit trying to back track.

[PennyAnd1]

Again, it's quite simple. If the Boxing commissioner requires it, then Pac will agree with it. It's no-brainer.

All I have to say is that if Manny would have taken the tests from the get go instead of making sooooo many excuses about why not to and then getting exposed by HBO 24/7 in regards to the "weak" excuse then no one would even think Pac is on something. I remember in highschool when a friend of mine got caught cheating and when asked to prove that he didn't, he couldn't do it so instead he got upset and cursed the teacher out to get out of it. I NEVER believed Manny Pacquiao was on anything, EVEN when Floyd Sr starting talking about it because as we know. Sr is one crazy old coot. Pac's refusal after Roach said he would agree to whatever tests make me a lil skeptical. On top of that, if Pac didn't want to take the tests, then fine but the fact that he had soooo many different excuses on why not to, made things worst for him.

If he would have taken the tests (if he was clean) and fought Floyd win or lose, no one would have thought about it. The fact that the biggest fight still hasn't happened because mainly of Manny's reluctance to submit to random testing has raised the eyebrows of basically everyone. Floyd is not totally blameless because he is not pressuring to fight either but I think mainly because Arum don't really want to make it happen. Pac is fighting guys like Margarito and Mosley, who according to Arum "are not competitive but mainly entertainment". No way does he put his biggest cash machine in the ring with an actual fighter that can beat Pac. ESPECIALLY someone Arum hates like Floyd. Arum has said, he doesn't want to work with Floyd, any other promoter or fighter unless they leave their under his umbrella.

How su****ious are Arum's motives? Floyd is to blame too because he wants to get props but don't want to step up because of his ego and push Pac to fight. The only reason why this steroid issue is a hot topic is because Pac made it that way. the best way to kill all the rumors is to clear your name. sure no one should have to prove themselves if you are true to yourself but even the President had to whip out his birth certificate because no matter how ridiculous it sounded. dude had to prove that he was legit. Manny aint trying to do that but want people to believe he is clean? PROVE IT! Because now it is VERY necessary.

[spoonwars]

It's clear to any rational observer that this is the case. If Manny had said sure, no problem let's do OST i think it's a good idea, or Floyd you are a *****, but i'll do it and kick your ass then these accusations wouldn't still be here almost 2 years later. They would have virtually vanished win, lose or draw.

The alternative, though not as good as the above could have gone something like this.

"No i will not take OST, that is ridiculous, it is not required by the boxing commission or the rules. I am tested according to the rules of the commission, if they decide to implement stricter testing that is fine, but until then we will comply with what everyone else does. P.S. Floyd is scared of me. I'm so good he thinks i'm cheating.....what a *****"

--> It takes ONE position and offers ONE single reason why he won't do it.

Instead his whole team and him included came out with so many different excuses and changed their position so many times, contradicted themselves etc etc that they placed this su****ion on themselves. They are the ones who allowed this idea to GROW. Mayweather simply planted a seed........Team MP let the seed of doubt grow with their actions.

Go jump off a cliff. No? Same reason Pac says no.

[PennyAnd1]

Nah you're a dic k ridding *******. Quit trying to back track.

It's better than being d*ck ridding Floydapu$$. I bet you enjoyed clogging your mouth with FLoyd's d!ck while he dances with the cowboi stars.
And 1 --> New York Giants rulez!

[JD Salinger]

First, this was an excellent post by David Greisman. Major Props!

I posted these facts over a year ago on multiple boxing forums when this PED rumor was first ignited by Mayweather Sr. To my surprise, the orginal posts were reomoved by the Site Admins. I can only assume that truth is sometimes harder to swallow than innuendo, unsubstantiated insinuations, or rumors. Hopefully this post will stay up.


-----------------------------------------------------
The Mayweather Family Saga
-----------------------------------------------------
FACT: 1979 - Tony Sinclair (Mayweather Jr's Uncle) shoots Floyd Mayweather Sr. in the lower left leg with a 20-gauge ******* late on Jan. 21, 1979, after an ongoing argument.

"I'd told Tony Sinclair, [brother of Deborah, Mayweather's mother] to move on from living with us. He came through the bedroom door with a *******. I said, "You gonna kill me? Well, do what you've got to do. But you're going to kill me and my baby." With Floyd in my arms I had a better chance. He shot my left leg. Blew off a piece of it. I continued fighting and became the number-one contender."


FACT: 1993 - Mayweather Sr. and several others were convicted in 1993 of smuggling ******* in detergent boxes from 1987-92. Floyd senior received a five-year sentence for trafficking ******* from Chicago to Grand Rapids. Served 3 years.


FACT: 2002 - Mayweather Jr. pleads guilty too two charges of domestic violence against Melissa, the mother of his eldest son.

FACT: 2004 - Roger Mayweather serves six months for the battery of his two children's grandmother. He knocks out the two bottome teeth of the grandmother.

FACT: 2004 - Mayweather Jr. was convicted on two counts of battery for punching two women at a Las Vegas nightclub the previous year (2003). He received a suspended one-year jail sentence and was ordered to undergo "impulse-control" counseling.

FACT: 2004 - Mayweather Jr. receives community service for kicking a bouncer in a Grand Rapids bar.

FACT: 2005 - Mayweather Jr. is acquitted of hitting the mother of his three children, Josie Harris at a Las Vegas nightclub on Dec. 27 2003. A jury acquitted him of the domestic violence charge, a felony, after the mother of his children recanted her story in court.

Rumor: Josie Harris was paid an undiclosed monthly retainer by Floyd Jr. to recant her story.

FACT: 2006 - Roger Mayweather starts a riot when he attacked Zab Judah during a bout with Floyd Jr. He was fined $200,000 and suspended for year. He was also jailed for six months for domestic assault that year in an unrelated incident.

Fact: 2007 - Mayweather Sr. found out that he is the father of another boxer, Justin Jones. The DNA test proved positive. Mayweather Sr. and Justin Jones plan to start training together soon.

FACT: 2009 - In August 2009, Roger Mayweather was arrested in Las Vegas for attacking one of his former female boxers. Mayweather allegedly hit her several times in the ribs, then tried to choke her, causing her to spit up blood when police arrived.

Note: A Las Vegas judge had issued an arrest warrant for Roger Mayweather after the boxing trainer failed to show up for a court appearance on battery and coercion charges.

FACT: 2009 - Las Vegas police investigating a shooting outside a skating rink seized two handguns, ammunition and two bulletproof vests from the home of boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. and two cars.

FACT: 2009 - The IRS sends the Nevada Athletic Commission a levy notice on Sept. 4 2009 ordering Mayweather's unpaid taxes be deducted from his $10 million fight purse. Floyd Mayweather Jr. agrees to pay $5.6 million in back taxes before the Internal Revenue Service was poised to take the money from his purse after his comeback fight against Juan Manuel Marquez. The levy was not executed.

FACT: 2009 - Mayweather Jr. comes in two pounds over the contracted-upon 144 pounds for his welterweight bout with Juan Manuel Marquez and pays a penalty fee of $300,000 for each extra pound.

Note: Law suits from JP Morgan Chase, Vegas ***elers, and numerous homeowners liens were left out of the list.

FACT: 2010 - In September 2010, Mayweather Jr is facing four felony charges, including robbery, larceny and coercion and four misdemeanor charges stemming from a domestic incident involving Josie Harris, the mother of three of his children. The coercion counts stem from Mayweather allegedly threatening to "beat" two of his children if they called 911 or left the house, according to the complaint.
During the Sept. 9 argument with Harris, Mayweather allegedly grabbed her hair and threw her to the floor, the complaint stated.

Fact: 2010 - Nov; Trial has been postponed to Sept. 1 for Floyd Mayweather Jr. on a misdemeanor battery charge stemming from allegations he poked a homeowner security guard in the face during an argument outside Mayweather's Las Vegas home. The misdemeanor case stems from allegations Mayweather poked the 21-year-old association guard during an argument in November about parking tickets in the gated community where Mayweather lives.

Fact: 2011 - Mayweather Jr's Home Owners Association files a civil complaint against him. According to the report, the community alleges that Mayweather has continuously engaged in hostile, harassing, and threatening behavior against certain employees, and has refused to provide his identification to gate officers.

Fact: 2011 - IRS files a $3.4 million lien against Mayweather Jr. for unpaid taxes stemming from 2009.

------------------------------------------------

Final Thoughts

Excluding the rumor mill stuff, which I don't find improberable at all, it's freakin amazing that anybody would lend any credibility to anything that comes out of the Mayweather's mouths. Past history shows a clear pattern of drug trafficking, domestic violence, and a total disregard for the RULES and law - I'm not just talking about boxing rules here, but rules in life!

For idots like the Mayweathers to even question Pacquiao's integrity, is much like a drug-dealer questioning the ethics of a thief. It's f***ing hypocritcal!

And all you Mayweather fan's questioning Manny's ability to exceed all expectations and attributing it to PED usage; it's just another excuse. You need to find something to take down that little asian that you so desperately hate and want to see loose. So instead of Manny being taken down in the ring, you resort to personal integrity attacks ignited by a convicted felon. You lazy ass loosers need to A) get a job B) learn the meaning of hard work and doing something with purpose and conviction C) Produce some sort of pattern on Manny. Anything! But please, don't spew out the same verbal diahhrea that you 'think' he's using something because Manny has been able to do what he has moving up. That's just speculation. There's nothing wrong with speculation but you need to back it up with something!

Here's my speculation rooted in the evidence and pattterns:

1. Floyd Jr. is more adept and willing to beat on the mother of his childeren. He's definitely not afraid to take on any challengers, as long as they are women!!

2. Uncle Roger has no respect for anybody. How the hell does anybody beat the **** out of a grandmother? He must be taking some serious "A-side meth".

3. Floyd Sr. is still dealing drugs. Alright, that's not fair... I take that back. But there's something fishy about Floyd Sr.... Really brah... I think he's on something. Ain't nuttin right about the guy... I mean, how the hell can anybody be that ****** without being gooped up on gop? I'm tellin ya man... he's on something.

4. And the most de****able testament to Floyd Sr's character is in his own words, "With Floyd in my arms I had a better chance. He shot my left leg. Blew off a piece of it. I continued fighting and became the number-one contender."

What the f**k? How any father would jeopardize the life of his own child to protect his own is disturbing and down right insane!

These baseless claims on Pacquaio's character are no longer isolated to the ring. It's become a personal witch hunt. And if you want to have a character debate between Pacquiao and Mayweather - Pac will win hands down. Mayweather Jr. has risen out of poverty through hard work. I can respect the guy for that. But so has Manny. The difference is Mayweather Jr. is doomed to repeat all the mistakes from his past. His actions don't prove otherwise!

-RM

Ps - I don't truly believe that all Floyd fan's are out of a job or need to learn the value of hard work. Just some of them.

^^^ good post.