Why wasn't Kirkland given the same chance JMM got vs. Pac??

[AntDawg]

He did get the same chance; then he got put on ***** street and the ref had to stop in.

JMM never looked hurt, his legs never went away. He had his senses about him after every KD and that's why Cortez let it continue. He touched the canvas, but mentally and physically he was still there.

Kirkland was hurt bad; his legs were gone. Punches that weren't even landing flush were wobbling him. He downright collapsed after that last punch. Cortez definitely did the right thing. Ann wolfe and Floyd Sr agreed with the stoppage, among others.

The two situations are as different as night and day.

He looked hurt after the 3rd one imo but came back and did extremely well.

[NinjaMan!]

I finally got to see the Kirkland stoppage over the weekend and it was HORRIBLE.

Joe Cortez is still one of the worst refs I've ever seen.

There was no three knockdown rule and it was obvious Kirkland was ready and able to fight. He should have been given a chance.

I'll admit that Kirkland's defense is GOD AWFUL and he probably would have lost anyway, but the ref didnt give him a chance.

What if JMM werent given a chance after being down three times against Pacquiao???

Arturo Gatti has also been beaten to a pulp in the ring only to come back and win the fight by KO.

Kirkland was robbed of that opportunity and that is inexcusable. He was fighting a light punching foreigner. He should have been given the chance to continue instead of being forced back down to the canvas by Cortez's crotch.

That's the risk you take when you get knocked down 3 times in the first round.

[AntDawg]

I made this same agrument to ny123 after the fight. It really wasnt that much different then Pac-JMM. Im just not for all the quick stoppage BS. Its not like he was getting drilled and it was brutal. He deserved another shot. He still may have gotten dropped a second later but he deserved that oppurtunity, e****ally as an unbeaten prospect. Thats why my favorite ref by far is Steve Smoger.

I mean not only did he stop it but he fell on Kirkland. He didnt even give him a chance to even get up. Its like as soon as he went down, it was over

I know right. Didn't even give him a chance to get up and then check to see if he was ok to continue.

[Michael Hall]

If Ishida was on the other side of those knockdowns would you be saying that was a horrible stoppage?

What kind of question is that?

Why wouldn't I?

I don't develop girlie attraction to fighters like your typical *******/*****/klit licker, etc...

I love the sport of boxing. Period.

That was a bad stoppage and I'm simply commenting on it. I didn't bet on the fight and I had no favorite.

[Michael Hall]

no he wouldnt..hed be saying kirkland was a beast

Do you know me, or my posting style?

Stop running your mouth spouting off ignorance.

I just saw the clip this morning and imo it was a bad stoppage.

I could see if Kirkland was flat on his back with his eyes shut. He tried to stand back up and Cortez used his crotch to force him back down.

If you have to force a fighter back down then more than likely that fighter still has FIGHT in him. Let him fight.

He was getting hit by punches he didn't see coming. His defense is piss poor. However, he was still in his right state of mind and had the physical wherewithall to want to continue fighting.

He looked at the ref each time and said I'M OKAY.

What else is he supposed to do?

Maybe he should have start doing the DOUGIE in front of Joe Cortez.

[Michael Hall]

Why do people make these ridiculous comparisons?

WATCH THE FIGHTS....

In the JMM knockdowns, they were FLASH KD's, you can see his face, body language and response to the ref that he wasn't really hurt. It was more frustration that he got caught.

The worst part about the JMM KD's was that his nose was broken, that was about it.

Kirkland on the other hand, was seriously hurt from the first KD. His legs were gone, he couldn't defend himself and by the 3rd KD, he was out.

If he would have gotten up and then got hit by some crushing hand, Cortez would have been killed for it. I thought it was a very good stoppage and the job of the ref is to protect the fighter. Cortez did that and Kirkland has nobody to blame for himself.

LMAO @ JMM never looking hurt. The man was damn punched out of the ring (3rd knockdown). He fell to his back while blood gushed from his nose.

He was in 10x worse condition than was James Kirkland against the Ishida (sp?).

Stop being DUMB and BIASED.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Do you know me, or my posting style?

Stop running your mouth spouting off ignorance.

I just saw the clip this morning and imo it was a bad stoppage.

I could see if Kirkland was flat on his back with his eyes shut. He tried to stand back up and Cortez used his crotch to force him back down.

If you have to force a fighter back down then more than likely that fighter still has FIGHT in him. Let him fight.

He was getting hit by punches he didn't see coming. His defense is piss poor. However, he was still in his right state of mind and had the physical wherewithall to want to continue fighting.

He looked at the ref each time and said I'M OKAY.

What else is he supposed to do?

Maybe he should have start doing the DOUGIE in front of Joe Cortez.

Fighters look at refs all the time and say "I'm ok" doesn't mean a ref can't stop it.

After the fight Kirkland also said he was never hurt and that Ishida has no power.

Look, I understand your point but you are wrong, it was a very good stoppage. It's the job of the ref to protect the fighter when he can't protect himself. In this case, even though he could have gotten up, he could not defend himself and was wide open to anything Ishida wanted to land.

Why allow him to get up and get KO'd viscously? So you can get some enjoyment our of it?

Cortez did the right thing and it's the TYPE of knock down that should be looked at. JMM was not hurt like Kirkland was, he was flash knocked down and you could see in his reaction and legs he was still there, Kirkland was not.

Didn't matter, Kirkland lost and even if he gets up, he get's knocked down again.

[mikemurni]

Because its Ishida. You are not suppose to get KD against a jabber who had 6 career KO's in the first round. This was suppose to be a gimme for Kirkland and he ****ed it up.

If he got KD like that by say Martinez in a main event, then maybe the referee would have given him the benefit of the doubt. But this was gimme fight, and an undercard.

Thats the difference.. Marquez was in a main event fight so basically the referee would have allowed him to continue because no one wants too see a highly anticipated fight get stopped in the first round, when there's a possibility that the fighter can still continue.

[Michael Hall]

he was getting knocked down by jabs man..jabs

because he didn't see them coming, genius.

i'm betting you've never been in a fight before or anything close to it.

you couldn't have.

because if you have ever been in a real fight (or a boxing match) then you'd know that the punches that you don't see coming are the most dangerous.

It's not the raw power of the punch that normally causes knockouts! It's the speed and timing of the punch that causes the damage.

You think Roy Jones saw the punches that put him to sleep against Tarver and Johnson coming?

You think Lennox Lewis saw that right hand coming from Rahman?

Again, Kirkland never saw the shots coming because his opponent was throwing COMBINATIONS.

Go back and watch the footage. Kirkland was being dropped by "blind punches".

Hence why even Floyd Sr. made the comments about Kirkland's piss poor defense versus him having a bad chin.

Some of you boxing fans really don't know **** about boxing! No wonder Roger Mayweather is so abrasive and rude when dealing with typical boxing media and fans.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

LMAO @ JMM never looking hurt. The man was damn punched out of the ring (3rd knockdown). He fell to his back while blood gushed from his nose.

He was in 10x worse condition than was James Kirkland against the Ishida (sp?).

Stop being DUMB and BIASED.

JMM's legs were still there, that is the #1 thing you look at when assessing a hurt fighter. Kirkland's legs were gone, completely gone.

JMM"s nose was broken and that's why it was gushing blood, doesn't mean he was seriously hurt.

I don't think you understand the difference between being hurt and having your nose broken or being knocked down.