Bernard Hopkins top ten of alltime

[RubenSonny]

But all of these fighters with no tape in an era before exercise was revolutionized are held in higher regard.Joe Louis regarded as possibly the best hw ever was knocked down by Two Ton Tony Galento who bragged that he quit drinking heavy two days before the fight.Nostalgias all it is the Bhops Roy Jones etc need to be recognized.

Theres sufficient footage of Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Whitaker, Chavez, Arguello, Hearns, Pacquiao, Louis, Ali, Monzon and McCallum who are all greater than Bhop, even if we discounted fighters without footage he still wouldn't make top 10.

Learn your history dude.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

How do any of us know for a fact its all theoretical.Back in the day these guys would fight every month there was not the training like there is today there were no Maxxy Shillstones.Take Football for instance does anyone really think the stars of the 50s and 60s could compete today.

You're right my friend, none of those guys could ball in todays NFL. But we have to remember the rankings arent based on today they are just simply based on the sport. So in their time they were beasts. They dont drop in status as athletes get better. The old timers dues were paid.

[IronDanHamza]

Theres sufficient footage of Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Whitaker, Chavez, Arguello, Hearns, Pacquiao, Louis, Ali, and McCallum who are all greater than Bhop, even if we discounted fighters without footage he still wouldn't make top 10.

Learn your history dude.

Not even close, either.

[MARKBNLV]

Well, that was only his 4th title defense and he did stop Galento in the 4th so I'm not sure what you mean by that comparison.

Joe Louis IS arguablly the greatest Heavyweight of all time. It has nothing to do with nostalgia. It has everything to do with accomplishment. Joe Louis acheived what NO ONE has at HW. That's why people regard him so highly.

You don't need tape to see if someone is greater, you have their list of accomplisments.

For example, we don't have tape of Greb. But looking at accomplishments it is abundently clear Greb is greater than Hopkins, tape or no tape.

It really isn't nostalgia, at all.

List of accomplishments are fine so are historical data such as newspaper clippings etc,i am not trying to take anything away from them it just seems that modern day boxers get shtted on when it comes to all time rankings.Except of course guys like Marciano who retired undefeated and had the likes of Ai who said he was the best and would beat him but because he was white he gets totally dismissed.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I understand what you aresaying its like the first man to run a 7 minute mile.But you have to think about the modern drugs training etc that guys in the last 20 years have been lucky to have,sht in the 50s a great majority of fighters were heavy smokers and drinkers.

What you mean to say is the four minute mile barrier. The greatest milers in the world were unable to crack that magic number for a long time. When Roger Bannister finally breached that invisible wall, many more followed. It suddenly became possible in the minds of the lesser runners. The same can be said of any athletic endeavor. It's even more imressive that Moore did what he did, at a time when healthy living and scientific training techniques were in a relatively primitive state.

[MARKBNLV]

Theres sufficient footage of Duran, Leonard, Hagler, Whitaker, Chavez, Arguello, Hearns, Pacquiao, Louis, Ali, Monzon and McCallum who are all greater than Bhop, even if we discounted fighters without footage he still wouldn't make top 10.

Learn your history dude.

All fabulous fighters have studied every last man you mentioned.I know my history dude i just do not like to discount fighters because we live in an internet age where all of there faults are discussed constantly,imagine the sht that would have been talked after Ali lost to Norton or after Ray Robinson lost to Denny Moyer.

[Check_hooks]

Carlos Monzon? Ever heard of him?

Monzon's resume at 160 is 10 billion lightyears greater than Hopkins.

And that is just to start, seriously.

Monzon held the middleweight title for 7 years and defended it 14 times. How is that better than B-Hop holding a major title for 10 years, winning all 4 titles in that span and defending it 20 times? How is that 10 billion light years greater than Hopkins when its not even on par with B-Hop?

Your a ****ing moron and that is just to start, seriously.

[RubenSonny]

List of accomplishments are fine so are historical data such as newspaper clippings etc,i am not trying to take anything away from them it just seems that modern day boxers get shtted on when it comes to all time rankings.Except of course guys like Marciano who retired undefeated and had the likes of Ai who said he was the best and would beat him but because he was white he gets totally dismissed.

Yeah hmmm okay....you can check the top 10 heavyweight lists in history section hes in pretty much everyone of them and this is what Ali said don't take it out of context.....

"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"

[CubanGuyNYC]

Carlos Monzon? Ever heard of him?

Monzon's resume at 160 is 10 billion lightyears greater than Hopkins.

And that is just to start, seriously.

Just a liiiittle exagerration, for effect.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Monzon held the middleweight title for 7 years and defended it 14 times. How is that better than B-Hop holding a major title for 10 years, winning all 4 titles in that span and defending it 20 times? How is that 10 billion light years greater than Hopkins when its not even on par with B-Hop?

Your a ****ing moron and that is just to start, seriously.

Somebody ban this dude.