Bernard Hopkins top ten of alltime

[$Bullsfam$]

Whether or not he could possibly beat Hagler in a H2H match up. Doesn't mean he's top 5 MW.

The top 4 are untouchable. Greb, SRR, Monzon, and Hagler. Are top 4.

In my personal list Lamotta is at #5.

But, then you have Ketchell who has a great case for being #5 himself. And, probably should be there in front of Lamotta.

And, then guys like Steele, Walker, Flowers, Fitzsimmons, Tiger could be rank higher than Hopkins. Is debatable.

So make it seem like Hopkins is clearly top 5 @ MW shows not really knowing the great history of the division.

You can't fault him though because he didn't have the great guys in his division they had back then. Head to Head none of them boys could beat him dominantly. Thats my take on it at least....

[MARKBNLV]

I am not saying he is top ten,but at this point its not absurd to raise the question,when truly was his last loss,the Taylor fights are highly debatable i personally though he won both,Same with Calzaghe in my opinion he has not really lost a fight since Roy Jones Jr.If those decisions were in his favor would that change your opinion?at this point people give Pacquiao more respect when Bhop has done much more.Does he need to grab a Hw title for people to believe.

[bojangles1987]

Prime young undefeated Glenn Johnson? He was in majorly close fights too. Arguably undefeated since he 2nd loss to Roy Jones.

That Glen Johnson doesn't compare to the Glen Johnson we've seen since 2004.

[jrosales13]

You can't fault him though because he didn't have the great guys in his division they had back then. Head to Head none of them boys could beat him dominantly. Thats my take on it at least....

You can't fault him but you can't give him extra credit either. If the other fighters accomplished more, beat the better fighters, have the better resume than you just can't rank B-Hop ahead of some just because he could possibly win a H2H match up.

And, H2H match up doesn't equal greatness. Resume and accomplishment do.

[IronDanHamza]

Whether or not he could possibly beat Hagler in a H2H match up. Doesn't mean he's top 5 MW.

The top 4 are untouchable. Greb, SRR, Monzon, and Hagler. Are top 4.

In my personal list Lamotta is at #5.

But, then you have Ketchell who has a great case for being #5 himself. And, probably should be there in front of Lamotta.

And, then guys like Steele, Walker, Flowers, Fitzsimmons, Tiger could be rank higher than Hopkins. Is debatable.

So make it seem like Hopkins is clearly top 5 @ MW shows not really knowing the great history of the division.

Utterly disagree with that.

I can't see any logical argument for there being a debate for Hopkins over Fitzsimmons. Just cannot see that.

My top 5 is;

Monzon
Greb
Robinson
Hagler
Fitzsimmons

I can't see any way Hopkins is getting in there.

Then I have Ketchel, Lamotta and Burley interchanging for the next 3 slots. Can't even see Hopkins getting in there before those 3. But I guess that's debatable.

I really will never in my life agree that Hopkins is a top 5 middleweight or even a debatable one. The division is too deep.

[RubenSonny]

And, then guys like Steele, Walker, Flowers, Fitzsimmons, Tiger could be rank higher than Hopkins. Is debatable..

Cerdan and even Burley too, good shout on Tiger and Steele very underrated middleweights.

[IronDanHamza]

I am not saying he is top ten,but at this point its not absurd to raise the question,when truly was his last loss,the Taylor fights are highly debatable i personally though he won both,Same with Calzaghe in my opinion he has not really lost a fight since Roy Jones Jr.If those decisions were in his favor would that change your opinion?at this point people give Pacquiao more respect when Bhop has done much more.Does he need to grab a Hw title for people to believe.

But it is, man. It really really is absurd to argue Hopkins is a top 10 ATG.

I'm not taking anything away from him. Hopkins is an ATG. Top 10 Middleweight of all time in my book.

Definitely arguably Top 50 ATG. I don't personally have him in the Top 50. But most definitely arguablly one.

But top 10? NO chance. The history of this sport is too long and great.

[MARKBNLV]

You can't fault him but you can't give him extra credit either. If the other fighters accomplished more, beat the better fighters, have the better resume than you just can't rank B-Hop ahead of some just because he could possibly win a H2H match up.

And, H2H match up doesn't equal greatness. Resume and accomplishment do.

Then why do the fighters who fought before video was relavant were held in such high regard,how can anyone rank a fighter with just a few tapes of footage,we have Bhops whole career to scrutinize.

[MARKBNLV]

But it is, man. It really really is absurd to argue Hopkins is a top 10 ATG.

I'm not taking anything away from him. Hopkins is an ATG. Top 10 Middleweight of all time in my book.

Definitely arguably Top 50 ATG. I don't personally have him in the Top 50. But most definitely arguablly one.

But top 10? NO chance. The history of this sport is too long and great.

It is all opinion based,Sugar Ray Robinson is revered as top 3 alltime from the tape i have saw and that is most of it there are very comparable fighters through every era,trust me in 20-30 years bhop will be looked at differently than he is now.

[MARKBNLV]

You can't fault him though because he didn't have the great guys in his division they had back then. Head to Head none of them boys could beat him dominantly. Thats my take on it at least....

I agree and who says they were better,boxing historians and such the game has come along way since than more training techniques Vitamin supplements etc,i am noit saying he is better than the Monzons Haglers of the world but he belongs in the discussion.