Bernard Hopkins top ten of alltime

[RubenSonny]

I agree and who says they were better,boxing historians and such the game has come along way since than more training techniques Vitamin supplements etc,i am noit saying he is better than the Monzons Haglers of the world but he belongs in the discussion.

Yet neither are considered top 10 ATGs.

[MARKBNLV]

Yet neither are considered top 10 ATGs.

But all of these fighters with no tape in an era before exercise was revolutionized are held in higher regard.Joe Louis regarded as possibly the best hw ever was knocked down by Two Ton Tony Galento who bragged that he quit drinking heavy two days before the fight.Nostalgias all it is the Bhops Roy Jones etc need to be recognized.

[CubanGuyNYC]

would you rank hopkins over archie moore over age 40??

I wouldn't.

One of the reasons why many of the old-timers are held in such high regard is because they were "first," or "among the first." You cannot underestimate the power of the mind in physical achievement. If somebody else did "it", it's suddenly possible for you to do "it". Conversely, if "it's" never been done before, it's much more difficult to find the inspiration and will to be the first. Bernard's longevity is amazing; but he owes some of it to the men who climbed that mountain before him.

[bojangles1987]

But all of these fighters with no tape in an era before exercise was revolutionized are held in higher regard.Joe Louis regarded as possibly the best hw ever was knocked down by Two Ton Tony Galento who bragged that he quit drinking heavy two days before the fight.Nostalgias all it is the Bhops Roy Jones etc need to be recognized.

The RJs and Bhops haven't done enough to be considered. I'm a huge Roy Jones fan, but he never did enough to be considered top ten or anything like that. It's not just about head to head matchups, guys like Robinson and Hagler and Monzon and Louis and Armstrong consistently beat fighters better than Jones or Hopkins did.

[Check_hooks]

Hopkins accomplishments at middleweight are better than anyone named in this thread.
If we're talking about strictly middleweight than Hopkins is #1. Undisputed World Champion, First fighter ever to hold all 4 major titles. Defended his title a record 20 times.

Show me anyone who can match Hopkins resume at 160. You can't because it doesn't exist.

Now top 10 ATG P4P is a different story.

[MARKBNLV]

I wouldn't.

One of the reasons why many of the old-timers are held in such high regard is because they were "first," or "among the first." You cannot underestimate the power of the mind in physical achievement. If somebody else did "it", it's suddenly possible for you to do "it". Conversely, if "it's" never been done before, it's much more difficult to find the inspiration and will to be the first. Bernard's longevity is amazing; but he owes some of it to the men who climbed that mountain before him.

I understand what you aresaying its like the first man to run a 7 minute mile.But you have to think about the modern drugs training etc that guys in the last 20 years have been lucky to have,sht in the 50s a great majority of fighters were heavy smokers and drinkers.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

If hes Top 10. Who does he replace?

I can say hes Top 30-40. No doubt. Dude is one of the greatest fighters of all time.

[IronDanHamza]

But all of these fighters with no tape in an era before exercise was revolutionized are held in higher regard.Joe Louis regarded as possibly the best hw ever was knocked down by Two Ton Tony Galento who bragged that he quit drinking heavy two days before the fight.Nostalgias all it is the Bhops Roy Jones etc need to be recognized.

Well, that was only his 4th title defense and he did stop Galento in the 4th so I'm not sure what you mean by that comparison.

Joe Louis IS arguablly the greatest Heavyweight of all time. It has nothing to do with nostalgia. It has everything to do with accomplishment. Joe Louis acheived what NO ONE has at HW or even come close to beating, a good f'ing era. That's why people regard him so highly.

You don't need tape to see if someone is greater, you have their list of accomplisments.

For example, we don't have tape of Greb. But looking at accomplishments it is abundently clear Greb is greater than Hopkins, tape or no tape.

It really isn't nostalgia, at all.

[MARKBNLV]

The RJs and Bhops haven't done enough to be considered. I'm a huge Roy Jones fan, but he never did enough to be considered top ten or anything like that. It's not just about head to head matchups, guys like Robinson and Hagler and Monzon and Louis and Armstrong consistently beat fighters better than Jones or Hopkins did.

How do any of us know for a fact its all theoretical.Back in the day these guys would fight every month there was not the training like there is today there were no Maxxy Shillstones.Take Football for instance does anyone really think the stars of the 50s and 60s could compete today.

[IronDanHamza]

Hopkins accomplishments at middleweight are better than anyone named in this thread.
If we're talking about strictly middleweight than Hopkins is #1. Undisputed World Champion, First fighter ever to hold all 4 major titles. Defended his title a record 20 times.

Show me anyone who can match Hopkins resume at 160. You can't because it doesn't exist.

Now top 10 ATG P4P is a different story.

Carlos Monzon? Ever heard of him?

Monzon's resume at 160 is 10 billion lightyears greater than Hopkins.

And that is just to start, seriously.