Martinez is seriously making his case as No. 1 P4P

[damned1974]

Nah, just waiting on someone to explain to me how beating some guy whose name they don't even know, who has fought absolutely no one, who hasn't fought as a MW makes you #1 P4P.

So, do you want to take a crack at it?

The fact is,a win over an undefeated Dzinziruk is better than a prior KO'd and inactive Margarito-especially when and how Manny fought him.It seems Manny always needs leeway and weight favours or other catches to make an advantage for himself.Combine this with his opponents showing poor performances and it is hardly a risk.When Manny isn't asking for a catchweight or a shot fighter,they must be losers to begin with.

The sad thing is,it is getting tougher to remember how long it has been since Manny has taken risks by fighting guys on the upside of their career as opposed to the downside.Name a recent fighter he has fought on the rise.

[Canelo Phresh]

Martinez should be P4P number one fighter in the world. I like Pacquiao but Sergio has been fighting better opposition than Pac in his last 4 fights. He is the real deal I don't see anyone beating him anytime soon.

My list for top 5 fighters
1. Sergio Martinez
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Timothy Bradley
6. Wladimir Klitchko
I would put Floyd in there but he is inactive and I don't think he will fight anytime soon.
Also didn't put Andre Ward because he is just one dirty mofo thats not boxing to me.

you get it. and your list is solid btw.

[Khalid X]

please just offer your argument why pacs recent resume is better than sergios. ill never attack pacs victory over hatton and by your logic pacs victory over hatton is irrelevant because of how lack luster he was after mayweather knocked him out. im not arguing atg status im arguing p4p status. be consistant and offer your true logic as to why pacquiao is still p4p over sergio.

Because P4P has traditionally been judge by what fighters have done in the past 2-3 years.

The only reason you guys limit it to a year is because Martinez had a good past 3 fights. Props to him on that, but nobody gets the number #1 spot off of 2-3 good wins.

Manny has look just as dominate but you guys are trying to compare the best wins of Martinez career to two fights that are clearly being fought for monetary gain.

Martinez will do the same thing so should we disregard his 2010 year as soon as he takes a soft fight and move him down the p4p list? Every fighter takes
Easy/tune up/money fights, which is why it's the body over work over the past few years that the P4P list is judge.

Manny dominated Clottey, a top 5 guy in his division,something that has never been done to Clottey. He also trashed Margarito. Those guys aren't ATG or even HOF but they are great fighters. Marg has been a top WW for over a decade and one bad fight doesn't change that. Just like one bad fight against b-hop doesn't change the fact that Pav was the legit MW champ. IMO Marg win = Pav win because both were mentally broken going into their fight against opponents who were streaking and both were coming back from dominating losses and mediocre performances against tuneups.

Williams was a good win as was Dzin wins but not enough to propell him over Manny considering the fact that he has been dominating every one put in front of him in the past 3 years.

[$coinblatt$]

Manny dominated Clottey, a top 5 guy in his division,something that has never been done to Clottey. He also trashed Margarito. Those guys aren't ATG or even HOF but they are great fighters. Marg has been a top WW for over a decade and one bad fight doesn't change that. Just like one bad fight against b-hop doesn't change the fact that Pav was the legit MW champ. IMO Marg win = Pav win because both were mentally broken going into their fight against opponents who were streaking and both were coming back from dominating losses and mediocre performances against tuneups.

you only had to watch the fight with Roberto Garcia to know that Margarito was no longer a top WW, he was slow as hell and this showed aswell in the Pacquiao fight.

[Canelo Phresh]

Because P4P has traditionally been judge by what fighters have done in the past 2-3 years.

The only reason you guys limit it to a year is because Martinez had a good past 3 fights. Props to him on that, but nobody gets the number #1 spot off of 2-3 good wins.

Manny has look just as dominate but you guys are trying to compare the best wins of Martinez career to two fights that are clearly being fought for monetary gain.

Martinez will do the same thing so should we disregard his 2010 year as soon as he takes a soft fight and move him down the p4p list? Every fighter takes
Easy/tune up/money fights, which is why it's the body over work over the past few years that the P4P list is judge.

Manny dominated Clottey, a top 5 guy in his division,something that has never been done to Clottey. He also trashed Margarito. Those guys aren't ATG or even HOF but they are great fighters. Marg has been a top WW for over a decade and one bad fight doesn't change that. Just like one bad fight against b-hop doesn't change the fact that Pav was the legit MW champ. IMO Marg win = Pav win because both were mentally broken going into their fight against opponents who were streaking and both were coming back from dominating losses and mediocre performances against tuneups.

Williams was a good win as was Dzin wins but not enough to propell him over Manny considering the fact that he has been dominating every one put in front of him in the past 3 years.

by that logic andre is p4p the best. clotty is and will only ever be a contender he always chokes at the championship level. the last relevant fight pac was in was cotto 09. and mayweather by your own logic still has an argument for number 1 and thats why that logic fails. floyd has no right to the p4p #1 and thusly cherry picking opponents should not mantain a number 1 status. clottey is only a coasting fight and marg is not a great fight.

[Khalid X]

you only had to watch the fight with Roberto Garcia to know that Margarito was no longer a top WW, he was slow as hell and this showed aswell in the Pacquiao fight.

So what about Pavlik in the Hopkins fight and him looking terrible in his tune up fights leading to Martinez bout? Why do you guys like to pick and chose bouts when judging these guys as fighters?

[Kagami Taiga]

by that logic andre is p4p the best. clotty is and will only ever be a contender he always chokes at the championship level. the last relevant fight pac was in was cotto 09. and mayweather by your own logic still has an argument for number 1 and thats why that logic fails. floyd has no right to the p4p #1 and thusly cherry picking opponents should not mantain a number 1 status. clottey is only a coasting fight and marg is not a great fight.

man dont even bother...mannys gonna fight mosely and it seems after that hes fighting the obviously smaller and declining marquez after refusing to for years. no matter what, these guys will make a reason as to why manny is p4p #1 god. their arguments are so silly they dont even see they're becoming the *****s that they usually try so hard to make fun of.

[Khalid X]

by that logic andre is p4p the best. clotty is and will only ever be a contender he always chokes at the championship level. the last relevant fight pac was in was cotto 09. and mayweather by your own logic still has an argument for number 1 and thats why that logic fails. floyd has no right to the p4p #1 and thusly cherry picking opponents should not mantain a number 1 status. clottey is only a coasting fight and marg is not a great fight.

Andre who? I know your not talking about ward and for damn sure not Berto.

And FWIW I have Floyd at number #3 behind Martinez at #2 and Pacquiao being #1. The Mosley fight was only 9-10 months ago and Shane was a top 3 WW that Floyd dominated.

[Canelo Phresh]

man dont even bother...mannys gonna fight mosely and it seems after that hes fighting the obviously smaller and declining marquez after refusing to for years. no matter what, these guys will make a reason as to why manny is p4p #1 god. their arguments are so silly they dont even see they're becoming the *****s that they usually try so hard to make fun of.

yeah and you can tell they know it. theyres a couple intelligent pac fans that know whats happening but as they say the loudest are the most ignorant.

[Khalid X]

man dont even bother...mannys gonna fight mosely and it seems after that hes fighting the obviously smaller and declining marquez after refusing to for years. no matter what, these guys will make a reason as to why manny is p4p #1 god. their arguments are so silly they dont even see they're becoming the *****s that they usually try so hard to make fun of.

So you claim Manny refused to fight Marquez yet when its about to happen Marquez is all of the sudden old and on the decline? Atleast be consistent with your flaming/trolling.