Manny versus duran at 140??

[joelab75]

Pacquiaos footwork isn't better and I say they are about the same in terms of handspeed, what happens when Duran inevitably takes Pac inside?

Pac's foot work is better tha Duran. Pac wont fight Duran in the inside the way SLR did.

same hand speed? are you kidding? p4p Manny has the fastest hand probably ever. again im talking about P4P. ask Ledwaba, Barrera, Morales, JMM, Diaz, Hatton, Cotto, Dela Hoya, Margarito. those are like 6 divisions. Pac has had the fastest hand in every division he fought. now your saying Duran and Pac was about the same in hand speed?

[Anti~Jalandoni]

Pac's better, The sport progresses

[BennyST]

Pac's foot work is better tha Duran. Pac wont fight Duran in the inside the way SLR did.

same hand speed? are you kidding? p4p Manny has the fastest hand probably ever. again im talking about P4P. ask Ledwaba, Barrera, Morales, JMM, Diaz, Hatton, Cotto, Dela Hoya, Margarito. those are like 6 divisions. Pac has had the fastest hand in every division he fought. now your saying Duran and Pac was about the same in hand speed?

Find one fight for me in which Pac deliberately didn't engage and was moving away and backward the whole fight?

Pac does not have the footwork to outbox Duran. He does not and cannot fight that way and doesn't use his footwork that way. He is a purely offensive fighter. At lightweight their hand speed is not that far different. Pac is faster, but so was Ray Leonard (just as Leonard was faster than Pac) and it made no difference to him whatsoever.

I'm starting to wonder if any Pac fan even knows how their guy fights? He's suddenly using his footwork to run away from Duran and only use his jab before he can engage? Hold on, what jab? Pac doesn't have a jab that would even slightly phase Duran and his footwork is used to get close to an opponent quickly, not to keep away.

The only style that you could ever say gave Duran trouble was so far different from Pacquiao's that bringing up footwork and Pac outboxing a guy who was the better boxer is so laughable as to be ridiculous.

Pac isn't four/five inches taller than Duran.

He doesn't have the style or temperament to not engage against Duran.

He doesn't have the reach or jab to keep Duran at a distance.

He does not have the footwork to stay or run away from Duran, never has and never will. If he tried the Leonard tactic, he would lose very badly.

He doesn't have the skill or style that everyone keeps thinking he does here. I mean, are people really trying to say that he would use the same style as Sugar Ray Leonard to beat Duran?

Pacquiao is a fighter. He is an offensive, combination puncher. He is not a backfoot, classic jabbing boxer that moves and runs and he cannot fight that way. If anyone says that Pac would use his footwork to stay away and outbox Duran again, you are quite truly a ****ing ****** moron that does not know the first thing about anything related to boxing or the fighter you are even talking about.

Once again, for the really, really, really ****ing slow people: Pac uses his footwork as an offensive tool, not a defensive tool. he uses his footwork to get close to people quickly to throw combinations, which means he comes forward with it and he is a lead boxer. He doesn't move, move, move, jab, move, one/two, move etc etc and he can't do that.

Go watch his recent fights again ******s. They are all fought the same way against different style fighters. He can't change his style. If he was going to use his footwork to stay away, and run and jab, like Leonard he would have done just that against Cotto and Margarito. As always, he engaged, moved forward and fought them using his quicker speed against slow fighters to simply out punch them and get his punches off first. Unless you call walking backward to the ropes and standing there waiting for the guy to come hit you, getting caught up to and exchanging with Margarito as great footwork and boxing in the style of Ray Leonard?

Ahhh...forget it. People are quite simply too daft to even understand what their favourite fighter does and his limitations. I do love it though! Pacquiao fighting like Sugar Ray Leonard against Duran and using his 'boxing skills' and classic footwork to stay away and outbox him!

[IronDanHamza]

Ahhh...forget it. People are quite simply too daft to even understand what their favourite fighter does and his limitations. I do love it though! Pacquiao fighting like Sugar Ray Leonard against Duran and using his 'boxing skills' and classic footwork to stay away and outbox him!

Excellent posts Benny. This is what I was trying to say in so many words. It didn't get me anywhere so I doubt even to this extent it will either lol

But that last part is really it. The best thing to do is forget it, they have NO CLUE what there talking about, seriously. It's actually worrying.

But it's still fun though right?

[Pogue69]

Find one fight for me in which Pac deliberately didn't engage and was moving away and backward the whole fight?

Pac does not have the footwork to outbox Duran. He does not and cannot fight that way and doesn't use his footwork that way. He is a purely offensive fighter. At lightweight their hand speed is not that far different. Pac is faster, but so was Ray Leonard (just as Leonard was faster than Pac) and it made no difference to him whatsoever.

I'm starting to wonder if any Pac fan even knows how their guy fights? He's suddenly using his footwork to run away from Duran and only use his jab before he can engage? Hold on, what jab? Pac doesn't have a jab that would even slightly phase Duran and his footwork is used to get close to an opponent quickly, not to keep away.

The only style that you could ever say gave Duran trouble was so far different from Pacquiao's that bringing up footwork and Pac outboxing a guy who was the better boxer is so laughable as to be ridiculous.

Pac isn't four/five inches taller than Duran.

He doesn't have the style or temperament to not engage against Duran.

He doesn't have the reach or jab to keep Duran at a distance.

He does not have the footwork to stay or run away from Duran, never has and never will. If he tried the Leonard tactic, he would lose very badly.

He doesn't have the skill or style that everyone keeps thinking he does here. I mean, are people really trying to say that he would use the same style as Sugar Ray Leonard to beat Duran?

Pacquiao is a fighter. He is an offensive, combination puncher. He is not a backfoot, classic jabbing boxer that moves and runs and he cannot fight that way. If anyone says that Pac would use his footwork to stay away and outbox Duran again, you are quite truly a ****ing ****** moron that does not know the first thing about anything related to boxing or the fighter you are even talking about.

Once again, for the really, really, really ****ing slow people: Pac uses his footwork as an offensive tool, not a defensive tool. he uses his footwork to get close to people quickly to throw combinations, which means he comes forward with it and he is a lead boxer. He doesn't move, move, move, jab, move, one/two, move etc etc and he can't do that.

Go watch his recent fights again ******s. They are all fought the same way against different style fighters. He can't change his style. If he was going to use his footwork to stay away, and run and jab, like Leonard he would have done just that against Cotto and Margarito. As always, he engaged, moved forward and fought them using his quicker speed against slow fighters to simply out punch them and get his punches off first. Unless you call walking backward to the ropes and standing there waiting for the guy to come hit you, getting caught up to and exchanging with Margarito as great footwork and boxing in the style of Ray Leonard?

Ahhh...forget it. People are quite simply too daft to even understand what their favourite fighter does and his limitations. I do love it though! Pacquiao fighting like Sugar Ray Leonard against Duran and using his 'boxing skills' and classic footwork to stay away and outbox him!

Give it up. It's like trying to get a dog to see a rainbow.

Great posts!

[joelab75]

Find one fight for me in which Pac deliberately didn't engage and was moving away and backward the whole fight?

Pac does not have the footwork to outbox Duran. He does not and cannot fight that way and doesn't use his footwork that way. He is a purely offensive fighter. At lightweight their hand speed is not that far different. Pac is faster, but so was Ray Leonard (just as Leonard was faster than Pac) and it made no difference to him whatsoever.

I'm starting to wonder if any Pac fan even knows how their guy fights? He's suddenly using his footwork to run away from Duran and only use his jab before he can engage? Hold on, what jab? Pac doesn't have a jab that would even slightly phase Duran and his footwork is used to get close to an opponent quickly, not to keep away.

The only style that you could ever say gave Duran trouble was so far different from Pacquiao's that bringing up footwork and Pac outboxing a guy who was the better boxer is so laughable as to be ridiculous.

Pac isn't four/five inches taller than Duran.

He doesn't have the style or temperament to not engage against Duran.

He doesn't have the reach or jab to keep Duran at a distance.

He does not have the footwork to stay or run away from Duran, never has and never will. If he tried the Leonard tactic, he would lose very badly.

He doesn't have the skill or style that everyone keeps thinking he does here. I mean, are people really trying to say that he would use the same style as Sugar Ray Leonard to beat Duran?

Pacquiao is a fighter. He is an offensive, combination puncher. He is not a backfoot, classic jabbing boxer that moves and runs and he cannot fight that way. If anyone says that Pac would use his footwork to stay away and outbox Duran again, you are quite truly a ****ing ****** moron that does not know the first thing about anything related to boxing or the fighter you are even talking about.

Once again, for the really, really, really ****ing slow people: Pac uses his footwork as an offensive tool, not a defensive tool. he uses his footwork to get close to people quickly to throw combinations, which means he comes forward with it and he is a lead boxer. He doesn't move, move, move, jab, move, one/two, move etc etc and he can't do that.

Go watch his recent fights again ******s. They are all fought the same way against different style fighters. He can't change his style. If he was going to use his footwork to stay away, and run and jab, like Leonard he would have done just that against Cotto and Margarito. As always, he engaged, moved forward and fought them using his quicker speed against slow fighters to simply out punch them and get his punches off first. Unless you call walking backward to the ropes and standing there waiting for the guy to come hit you, getting caught up to and exchanging with Margarito as great footwork and boxing in the style of Ray Leonard?

Ahhh...forget it. People are quite simply too daft to even understand what their favourite fighter does and his limitations. I do love it though! Pacquiao fighting like Sugar Ray Leonard against Duran and using his 'boxing skills' and classic footwork to stay away and outbox him!

clearly you are not paying attention whenever Pac fights or just a pure HATE. Pac is always phasing himself and play 50/50 in early rounds most of his recent fights. but once he knew he can take opponents best shot thats when he would go to all out attack. watch the Oscar, Cotto, Clottey and Marg fight and see what i was talking about. He didnt engage right away. He had to feel the power first before he go to his offensive mode.

you are a HATER if you think Pac has no skills and Duran were so much skilled. Boxing experts and boxing historian see Pac skills but not you?
Pac definitely will fight smart against Duran but once he can take his punch its all over for Duran. like i said Duran may have beat or knock out Pac but he would get out of the ring like he got hit with the baseball bat.

and you think Pac has no skills? you are a ******! Pac is now considered top 10-15 ATG's and you're saying he has no skills?

Pac has a footwork than can give him enough space to hit Duran and get out. Duran was a come forward boxer with power and great chin.

Pac is an OFFENSIVE BEAST. he loves to engage when he knows he can take the punch. but he is smart enough to know when to engage. when to go all out.

Pac aint destroying his opponents just because of his speed and power alone. so get over it. cant accept the fact that Pac is better than Floyd.
Pac cant be better than Floyd right? so the reason he in ON TOP of boxing world is because of PEDS or cherry picking his opponents.

[studentofthegam]

clearly you are not paying attention whenever Pac fights or just a pure HATE. Pac is always phasing himself and play 50/50 in early rounds most of his recent fights. but once he knew he can take opponents best shot thats when he would go to all out attack. watch the Oscar, Cotto, Clottey and Marg fight and see what i was talking about. He didnt engage right away. He had to feel the power first before he go to his offensive mode.

you are a HATER if you think Pac has no skills and Duran were so much skilled. Boxing experts and boxing historian see Pac skills but not you?
Pac definitely will fight smart against Duran but once he can take his punch its all over for Duran. like i said Duran may have beat or knock out Pac but he would get out of the ring like he got hit with the baseball bat.

and you think Pac has no skills? you are a ******! Pac is now considered top 10-15 ATG's and you're saying he has no skills?

Pac has a footwork than can give him enough space to hit Duran and get out. Duran was a come forward boxer with power and great chin.

Pac is an OFFENSIVE BEAST. he loves to engage when he knows he can take the punch. but he is smart enough to know when to engage. when to go all out.

Pac aint destroying his opponents just because of his speed and power alone. so get over it. cant accept the fact that Pac is better than Floyd.
Pac cant be better than Floyd right? so the reason he in ON TOP of boxing world is because of PEDS or cherry picking his opponents.

I agree that he could beat Duran. Not that Duran doesnt stand a chance but my betting mind would go with Pac. As long as he gets in and gets out he can win. The trouble for him I see for him is if he takes breaks on the ropes like he did with Margarito. He's gotta keep moving. Now skill comparisons are easy with these two. Pac's hands are faster and his footwork is better too. Duran is the better boxer when he decided to box. Good jab and way more power. Pac needs to do basics like not back straight out . Keep it side to side when exiting and he'll be tired as hell but the winner.

Now, better than Money May? I dont know. Im so tired of arguing it I just have to say Pac's got a chance but its slim. And they do cherry pick but the tree belongs to the Champ. If they sign on the line then no excuses. As far as PED's I say innocent til proven guilty or proven clean. Thats an option.huh um

[pacquia0]

First: Duran beat Leonard. Leonard is better than every one of Pac's opponents combined and was the best fighter Duran fought. So, he beat the best out of both and he also beat the best fighter he ever fought. When you also consider that, unlike most of Pac's bigger opponents these days, it was Duran who was considered past it at that stage, not his opponent, and Leonard that was as big as Margarito compared to Duran who started at 118 and was the same size as Pac.

Most experts and historians consider that fight to be arguably the greatest single fight in history because arguably it was two top ten ATG fighters in their prime, in the classic style battle, both fighting each other at their best. Duran, the older, smaller, underdog won. When was the last time Pac won a fight he wasn't meant to win?

Angelo Dundee, and I'm pretty sure we can say that he's a better trainer than Steward, called Duran "a cute, slippery, slick fighter that does a lot of things people don't see".

Gil Clancy called Duran one of the great defensive fighters ever and much smarter than most think and one of the best fighters in the history of the sport.

Cox, a great boxing journalist had this to say about him "He was at the peak of his powers in becoming one of the greatest fighters of all time in combining toughness and polished boxing skill. The one time street fighter was an artist." on his win over De Jesus (a HOFer).

Another Dundee comment during an interview 'Angelo Dundee said of Duran (SI Jan 30, ’78) “One gets the impression of Duran is that he’s a tough, rough brawler who just wades in and ducks nothing. But all you have to do is look at his face to see that is nonsense. He’s not marked up. He does a lot of cute things in there.”

Palomino, the great HOF welterweight champion said this of Duran “He’s good inside, very good, strong physically. The one thing that surprised me the most was his quickness. And his defensive ability. He moves his head a lot, feints a lot. He’s not an easy man to hit.”

Ray Arcel, probably the greatest trainer ever said “Duran knew how to fight. He knew what to do. If he looked at the corner the only thing I ever had to do was pretend to jab, once he was using his jab I knew he’d have no trouble. Even more important he knew how to think. When you talk about great fighters, always remember there was a guy named Roberto Duran. He was never given the opportunity to really display his wares because at his peak, he was overshadowed by Muhammad Ali.”

Another quote from Gil Clancy and Al Bernstein on the Barkley fight "Duran used boxing skill, slick defense, and clever inside fighting to offset Barkley’s greater size and power. Gil Clancy commenting at ringside said, “Duran just slipped 6 punches in a row” to which Al Bernstein, replied, “Duran has always been the master of defense, that is one of his trademarks.”

I could go on and on and on.....

If Pac was green and inexperienced when he drew with Marquez and lost to Morales (even though he had just beaten the greatest fighter of his career in the best fight of his career, was in his prime mid-late twenties and was a three/four time champion with about 40 fights) then Duran was green in his first fight against De Jesus and shot in his rematch against Leonard. Runs both ways kid.

All fighters when they start their careers are in their prime. Yes, they are inexperienced and green but they are still in their prime. They are in their prime and then hit their peak, which is their best years (basically when they become champion), then they start to go downhill (past it) and are then shot. Pac isn't the exception to every other fighter in history by only being in his prime after his last loss. He was in his prime when he got knocked out twice and he was in his prime when he lost to Morales and drew with Marquez, just as Duran was in his prime when he lost to De Jesus and Leonard the second time. Pac was green when he was knocked out the first time, but Duran wasn't at his best against Leonard the second time. See, it's all relative?

Durans win over SRL wasnt a dominant one. People scored the fight for SRL. In the rematch SRL proved that he was the better fighter by making Duran quit. Pacquiao doesnt leave no doubt against his opponents hes got stoppage victories over Morales, DLH and MAB. These guys are better than anyone Duran beat clearly. Yea Hagler and Hearns were good but Duran lost these fights. Take away his win against SRL and pacquiao clearly has the better resume.

Pacquiao was the underdog against MAB and Oscar. Also when he was at lightweight people were saying that Cotto, Margarito and Hatton were too big for Pacquiao.

Manny Steward you know the guy who trained Hearns who KTFO Duran said that Duran was strictly a power puncher who struggled against fighters with movement. He knows how to beat Duran so him saying that tells you verything you need to know.

Bert sugar has called Manny pacquiao the greatest southpaw and asian fighter of all time.

Bob Arum said, "I think that Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter that I have ever seen."

Pacquiaos prime started with the Diaz fight. Pacquiao was already an ATG calibre fighter when he was green and inexperianced. The 'draw' against JMM was due to a scoring error. The loss to Morlaes was due to Pacquiao not being allowed to have his chosen gloves, early cut and having to give blood so close to the fight. Pacquiao avenged this defeat though. Duran losing to Laing can have no excuses. Durans losses are far worse than Pacquiaos.

Since the Diaz fight hes either stopped his opponents or got a shutout win. Pacquiao can make great fighters like De La Hoya look ordinary. Power puncher Duran isnt beating Pacquiao whether you like it or not.

Pacquiao has won FOTY 4 times, Duran never did this once. There was always someone better than him. Pacquiao is FOTD also and has a record 8 world titles in as many weight classes. Get with the times Pacquiao is P4P#1, the last time Duran fought was more than 10 years ago.

[RubenSonny]

lol @ *****s picking Duran...

Your the ****** that picked Manny because you know nothing about Duran.

[pacquia0]

Your the ****** that picked Manny because you know nothing about Duran.

Pacquiaos an 8 division champ, FOTD, 4x FOTY.

Nothing ******ed about picking him over Duran.