Manny versus duran at 140??

[RubenSonny]

Pacquiaos an 8 division champ, FOTD, 4x FOTY.

Nothing ******ed about picking him over Duran.

I never said there was, I said its ******ed if you know nothing about Duran.

[hugh grant]

Pac wouldnt need the jab against DUran as you can get countered if you are predictable with the jab all night long.

Pac picks his moments and attacks with combinations and gets out of danger with his footwork and speed. Like a jack in a box ive never seen before. Againt Clottey, Clottey was reduced to a punch bag.

[fabie]

This would be an awesome fight.

Both fighters have the power to KO one another with their combos. Both have the stamina while Duran would have an edge on the inside fighting while Pacquiao would have the outside fighting/angles/footwork and speed.

Both are combination fighter but because of speed, Pacquiao would have an edge if he stays outside but would be hard-pressed because of his lack of a true jab. His "jabs" were in the form of the newly-found RIGHT HOOKS (check hooks) or even his LEFT STRAIGHT CROSS.

Duran on the other hand is adept in bob and weaving while charging inside for the body punches relentlessly.

Both fighter would be opportunistic to go in and out. In that light, if Duran can exploit Pacquiao more inside, he simply would bring Pacquiao down. But Pacquiao, if he stays defensive as far as using lateral footworks (which he has) can engage with his southpaw 1-1-2 and keep Duran at bay while using combinations to follow it up.

It can go either way. But Pacquiao with his machine-gun like combinations and follow-could probably upstage Duran in the later rounds whereas Duran can always threaten Pacquiao with those body punches anytime.

Toss-up but Pacquiao for a late stoppage or a SD.

[intoccabile]

The thread is about a 140weight fight. Duran had enough problems with Buchanan and Pac knocked out potential best british fighter ever in 2 rounds so that gets me thinking.

Pacs defense cant be that bad because he isnt being knocked out, and unless he has got the toughest chin in the world it tells me Pac is probably not getting hit cleanly as much as you think he does. Otherwise he would be knocked out like Duran was against Hearns. Maybe Pac has a great chin then, and thats another reason Pac would do well. It all looks good whichever way you paint it.

Plus he is outpointing people as a matter of course. So Pac must have either an ability to not get hit much, or the ability to hit people real good. If its the latter, thats another reason Pac beats Duran.

He isnt knocked out because everyone else is forced to be defensive. His defense is his offense.

Pac is always first, and last. He initiates.. and since he throws long combinations he's normally last as well. Can never find an appropriate time to counter.

Duran slipped, parried, pivoted ,and blocked punches very well. His head movement was damn good and rolled with punches too. These are things you've never seen pac do, and won't.

Duran had better defense.

[fabie]

This would be an awesome fight.

Both fighters have the power to KO one another with their combos. Both have the stamina while Duran would have an edge on the inside fighting while Pacquiao would have the outside fighting/angles/footwork and speed.

Both are combination fighter but because of speed, Pacquiao would have an edge if he stays outside but would be hard-pressed because of his lack of a true jab. His "jabs" were in the form of the newly-found RIGHT HOOKS (check hooks) or even his LEFT STRAIGHT CROSS.

Duran on the other hand is adept in bob and weaving while charging inside for the body punches relentlessly.

Both fighter would be opportunistic to go in and out. In that light, if Duran can exploit Pacquiao more inside, he simply would bring Pacquiao down. But Pacquiao, if he stays defensive as far as using lateral footworks (which he has) can engage with his southpaw 1-1-2 and keep Duran at bay while using combinations to follow it up.

It can go either way. But Pacquiao with his machine-gun like combinations and follow-could probably upstage Duran in the later rounds whereas Duran can always threaten Pacquiao with those body punches anytime.

Toss-up but Pacquiao for a late stoppage or a SD.

He isnt knocked out because everyone else is forced to be defensive. His defense is his offense.

Pac is always first, and last. He initiates.. and since he throws long combinations he's normally last as well. Can never find an appropriate time to counter.

Duran slipped, parried, pivoted ,and blocked punches very well. His head movement was damn good and rolled with punches too. These are things you've never seen pac do, and won't.

Duran had better defense.

Well put, my friend...well, put.

[intoccabile]

Pac's foot work is better tha Duran. Pac wont fight Duran in the inside the way SLR did.

same hand speed? are you kidding? p4p Manny has the fastest hand probably ever. again im talking about P4P. ask Ledwaba, Barrera, Morales, JMM, Diaz, Hatton, Cotto, Dela Hoya, Margarito. those are like 6 divisions. Pac has had the fastest hand in every division he fought. now your saying Duran and Pac was about the same in hand speed?

This is a serious nuthug. Pacmans hands arent even near the fastest ever. Here are men at his own weight who had faster hands -

Camacho, McGirt, Taylor, and Leonard come to mind (140-147)

Today?, Khan, Judah, Berto come to mind (140-147)

BIGGER men with faster hands? - Jones, and Tyson come to mind.

I see fast combinations from pac but never once does he do something and i go "whoa.. that was fast " like I did watching the above mentioned.

I just hate when people hop into an argument and start throwing the "best ever" or "fastest ever" claims around.

Pacman is great, but his speed isn't the reason why. His conditioning, will, power, and combinations have more to do with it than his speed.

[RubenSonny]

This would be an awesome fight.

Both fighters have the power to KO one another with their combos. Both have the stamina while Duran would have an edge on the inside fighting while Pacquiao would have the outside fighting/angles/footwork and speed.

Both are combination fighter but because of speed, Pacquiao would have an edge if he stays outside but would be hard-pressed because of his lack of a true jab. His "jabs" were in the form of the newly-found RIGHT HOOKS (check hooks) or even his LEFT STRAIGHT CROSS.

Duran on the other hand is adept in bob and weaving while charging inside for the body punches relentlessly.

Both fighter would be opportunistic to go in and out. In that light, if Duran can exploit Pacquiao more inside, he simply would bring Pacquiao down. But Pacquiao, if he stays defensive as far as using lateral footworks (which he has) can engage with his southpaw 1-1-2 and keep Duran at bay while using combinations to follow it up.

It can go either way. But Pacquiao with his machine-gun like combinations and follow-could probably upstage Duran in the later rounds whereas Duran can always threaten Pacquiao with those body punches anytime.

Toss-up but Pacquiao for a late stoppage or a SD.

Pacquiao has the much worse footwork as its only offensive based and Duran is by far the better on the outside the best distance for Pac would be midrange. Durans not getting stopped at 140 by anyone, methinks you've never seen Duran fight, posters before have explained that he was primarily a counter-puncher with insane inside skills(a department pac simply has nothing at all to offer).

[fabie]

Pacquiao has the much worse footwork as its only offensive based and Duran is by far the better on the outside the best distance for Pac would be midrange. Durans not getting stopped at 140 by anyone, methinks you've never seen Duran fight, posters before have explained that he was primarily a counter-puncher with insane inside skills(a department pac simply has nothing at all to offer).

Why just because it doesn't conform with your observations? All of us have subjective observation/speculations and my posting is one of the more balanced prediction instead of just going one way in extreme.

And I've been watching since the mid 70s from the Ali days and the 80s were the heyday that I've watched the bulk of my "boxing days of watching".

My educated speculation is my own...obviously there's no way to confirm that.

[lfc19titles]

pac has great footwork, he has really improved on it ruben, 5 years ago i would have agreed with your comment that his foot work isnt the best.

do you realise how he always manages to land so many clean shots with his arm properly extended, how do you think he lands his combinations and does his amazing angle worl as well? it all starts from his footwork, getting into great positions, being aware to move as soon as he has thrown enough, not move away but move into a different offensive position

i find it funny how pac who is a top 15 atg if not 10 (top 5 according to roy jones jnr), loses nearly every fantasy fight

pac for me would win, his combinations and angles would make this a one sided fight, i expect the first say 2-3 rounds to be close but then pac starting to dominate and maybe score a late tko or win a UD

[RubenSonny]

Why just because it doesn't conform with your observations? All of us have subjective observation/speculations and my posting is one of the more balanced prediction instead of just going one way in extreme.

And I've been watching since the mid 70s from the Ali days and the 80s were the heyday that I've watched the bulk of my "boxing days of watching".

My educated speculation is my own...obviously there's no way to confirm that.

I don't think Pacs footwork is bad just limited, he cannot fight off the backfoot and has never shown he can, and when has Pac showed everything on the outside? It should be obvious that Duran was a counter-puncher. Your posts screamed of uneducated cringy bullcrap