Manny versus duran at 140??

[E-Thug]

Duran vs manny

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Manny has fought De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto and Margarito and is going to fight Mosley. These guys are all good fighters. Duran fought some good fighter but the diferance between him and Pac is that Duran lost to the best fighters he fought.

The difference is Duran fought the best fighters IN THEIR PRIMES. I sure as hell didn't see prime versions of Margarito, Hatton, Oscar, Cotto against Pacquiao and I sure as hell don't see a prime Mosley going into the Pacquiao fight. A win over a prime SRL literally ****s on any big win Pacquiao has. And don't come out with that *****'nuthugger **** because I am a fan of Manny.

[/QUOTE]Steward has said that Duran was a power puncher and that fighters with movement caused him problems. Steward trained Hearns, you know the guy who KTFO of Duran. The guy also trained Lewis, I think the guy knows what hes on about. RJJ was P4P#1 and beat Hopkins and Toney. You really think you know more than these guys?[/QUOTE]

Hypocrite. You say when Morales fought and beat Manny, Manny was green and when JMM fought Manny, he was also green but you mention Hopkins' name on Jones' resume as if Bernard was in his prime but he SURE AS HELL was green when he fought Jones

[/QUOTE]Which boxers or trainers back up your opinion?[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]JMM was when Pacquiao was green and inexperianced. Duran lost and had close fights with alot worse fighters than JMM. [/QUOTE]

Again, hypocritical and contradictory statements littered throughout. If you're finding it eligible to put a green Hopkins as a great win for Jones, then there's no problem with other ppl putting a (apparently) green Pacquiao as a great win for Erik.

[/QUOTE]Pacquiao is a complete fighter. Counterpunching, jab, footwork, combinations he has it all. Duran struggles with fighters who have movement and Pac is great at this. Alot of Pacs KOs also come from when he exchanges with his opponent so if Duran tries to walk through Pac he could get stopped.[/QUOTE]

Only time I ever seen him perform a perfect counter punch was when he floored Hatton tbh.

[/QUOTE]SRL beat Duran in the second fight? Duran quit so I dont really see why scorecards matter.[/QUOTE]

[bojangles1987]

Duran-Leonard 1 prove nothing, Leonard fought like an idiot that night. He abandoned his
Game plan and tried that macho crap that ended up costing him the fight...the rematch proves my point. Duran's D was awful! Pac would absolutely destroy Duran...too fast and too awkward for Duran's one-dimensional style.

One of the biggest myths in boxing history. Leonard was not outclassing Duran in that rematch, and Duran sure as hell wasn't the same guy from the first fight. Leonard even admitted that he pushed for the rematch to be so soon after the first fight because he knew Duran got way out of shape immediately after fights and wouldn't be in his best shape.

[Larry the boss]

Manny has fought De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto and Margarito and is going to fight Mosley. These guys are all good fighters. Duran fought some good fighter but the diferance between him and Pac is that Duran lost to the best fighters he fought.



Steward has said that Duran was a power puncher and that fighters with movement caused him problems. Steward trained Hearns, you know the guy who KTFO of Duran. The guy also trained Lewis, I think the guy knows what hes on about. RJJ was P4P#1 and beat Hopkins and Toney. You really think you know more than these guys?

Which boxers or trainers back up your opinion?

JMM was when Pacquiao was green and inexperianced. Duran lost and had close fights with alot worse fighters than JMM.

Pacquiao is a complete fighter. Counterpunching, jab, footwork, combinations he has it all. Duran struggles with fighters who have movement and Pac is great at this. Alot of Pacs KOs also come from when he exchanges with his opponent so if Duran tries to walk through Pac he could get stopped.

SRL beat Duran in the second fight? Duran quit so I dont really see why scorecards matter.

dela hoya-shot
hatton-not in durans league
cotto-damaged even freddy said this
margo-please,slow,damaged,fresh off of a suspension

you have to be trolling..duran stops all these guys

and how was manny green when he fought jmm?? it was his 3rd and 4th weight class..smh...prime duran was ko'd 1 time and that was against 6 foot tommy hearns one of the hardest punches in boxing history

[IronDanHamza]

I hope for the sake of boxing that the posts being left in this thread are either a joke or trolling.

I sincerely hope.

[BennyST]

yeah lets be real. Manny has better footwork, handspeed with better combination. and he uses all those to his advantage. i wouldnt count Pac out. Duran may have great chin but Manny would still make him look like he got hit with the baseball bat like what happened to Margarito, Cotto, Dela Hoya, Diaz..

Find one fight in over 100 fights with many against guys who were twice his size, and much better than Margarito, and against all the other ATG's, HOFers and legends he fought where he ever even had a black eye or slightly swollen face.

I don't know where people think Pac suddenly has the footwork to outbox (that seriously is the ******est, ****ing most hilarious thing I've ever read on here) Duran? He doesn't outbox anyone and certainly doesn't have the skill, or footwork to outbox Duran.

Duran was twice the 'boxer' Pacquiao is. Pac doesn't move away from people. He moves in and then out. That doesn't stop or even slightly confuse Duran who had better feints, angles, counters and defense.

This is one of those fights Pac takes a good beating in while still giving a good account of himself. However, he does not have what it takes to beat a prime Duran, ever, at any stage.

Once again for the slow ones. Pac doesn't outbox people. Ray Leonard outboxed Duran in the rematch using a very different style than his normal style, which he fought in the first fight and lost and which is much closer to Pac's and Leonard still had better footwork in that first fight. Pac cannot fight inside and cannot fight going backward with someone right on him and who can counter him constantly. That's what would happen.

Most people think of Duran as a dude who wades in and leads just punching. He was a pure counter puncher. Unlike many classic defensive counter punchers though, he would wait, stalk, feint and draw a punch or combination, slip it, then counter it to get inside and get off combinations and work away inside. Then he would tie up or push off and repeat. It's what made him so great and such a freak of an offensive fighter. His offense was based off great defense and counter punching, not just moving forward and punching first.

It wouldn't be Pac outboxing Duran. It would literally be the other way around. Pac would be throwing first or falling for a feint and getting countered, then Duran would be inside and ****ing away on his body all night long.

[IronDanHamza]

Find one fight in over 100 fights with many against guys who were twice his size, and much better than Margarito, and against all the other ATG's, HOFers and legends he fought where he ever even had a black eye or slightly swollen face.

I don't know where people think Pac suddenly has the footwork to outbox (that seriously is the ******est, ****ing most hilarious thing I've ever read on here) Duran? He doesn't outbox anyone and certainly doesn't have the skill, or footwork to outbox Duran.

Duran was twice the 'boxer' Pacquiao is. Pac doesn't move away from people. He moves in and then out. That doesn't stop or even slightly confuse Duran who had better feints, angles, counters and defense.

This is one of those fights Pac takes a good beating in while still giving a good account of himself. However, he does not have what it takes to beat a prime Duran, ever, at any stage.

Once again for the slow ones. Pac doesn't outbox people. Ray Leonard outboxed Duran in the rematch using a very different style than his normal style, which he fought in the first fight and lost and which is much closer to Pac's and Leonard still had better footwork in that first fight. Pac cannot fight inside and cannot fight going backward with someone right on him and who can counter him constantly. That's what would happen.

If you think that comments bad you should see some of the others, bro.

That one is one of the better ones!

We have had;

'Duran struggled with a brit in Ken Buchana whereas Pacquiao beat one of the best british fighters of all time in Ricky Hatton in 2 rounds, what does that tell you'

'Pacqiauo doesnt get KO'd and Duran got KO'd by Hearns so that means Pacqiauo has better defense than Duran'

'Duran lost to Laing so he would lose to Pacquiao'

'Pacquiao moves his head better than Duran'

'Duran is just a power puncher, Manny Steward said so!'

'Hearns wouldn't land that shot that KO'd Duran on Pacqiauo because Pacqiauo isnt there to be hit like Duran is'

and MANY others.

[-Huey-]

lol @ *****s picking Duran...

[BennyST]

I love how people talk about Duran getting knocked out, but dismiss Manny's. Yeah, it was only Duran's 16th or 17th year as a pro (longer than Pac has been fighting his whole pro career), it was only his eighth weight class (as many as Pacquiao), he was only 34 or so (older than Manny) but most importantly.....it was against someone who was nearly a foot taller (more than Marg's over Manny), who was in his absolute prime weight class and years (unlike all of Pac's best opponents) and unlike every single one of Pacquiao's entire career opponents, was one of the greatest fighters in the history of the sport at the peak of his greatness and is arguably the hardest puncher in the history of the sport, with the most brutal right hand ever! That was the only guy, even close to Duran's prime, who could put him down and out. It was only later when he was about 50 years old, so shot to **** it was embarrassing that anyone else could stop him and he wasn't knocked down or out, just stopped.

Pacquiao was knocked out by someone with about ten fights and four losses and some other dude who I don't even know when he was in his prime as a champion. He was in his prime, but not at his peak. That's right! When you are a champion and in your late teen or twenties, you are in your prime. You might not have hit your peak, as he is now, but he was in his prime. Unless suddenly his whole career, he's only been in his prime when he's winning and not losing, unlike every other fighter in history?

You wanna bring up him being skinny and weight drained and young? Guess what? So was Duran for all of his early career until lightweight. They both started at about 16 years old as a pro and both started their careers as poverty stricken, sick, malnourished fighters. Duran started his career at 118 pounds and ended his at 175. Pac started his at 112 and is at 147. From his first fight until his 70th or so and across about fifteen years, he lost two fights, both of which opponents he also beat. He never got knocked out or even hurt (unless you call a flash knock down being hurt, which I suppose it is in a way).

Please, think before you speak. If you wanna compare knock outs, try thinking first about when, how and who because Pac has been knocked out by bums and club fighting hacks. Duran was knocked out by one of the great legendary fighters of all time with every single advantage you could ever hope to give a fighter over another.

[BennyST]

Manny has fought De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto and Margarito and is going to fight Mosley. These guys are all good fighters. Duran fought some good fighter but the diferance between him and Pac is that Duran lost to the best fighters he fought.

Steward has said that Duran was a power puncher and that fighters with movement caused him problems. Steward trained Hearns, you know the guy who KTFO of Duran. The guy also trained Lewis, I think the guy knows what hes on about. RJJ was P4P#1 and beat Hopkins and Toney. You really think you know more than these guys?

Which boxers or trainers back up your opinion?

JMM was when Pacquiao was green and inexperianced. Duran lost and had close fights with alot worse fighters than JMM.

First: Duran beat Leonard. Leonard is better than every one of Pac's opponents combined and was the best fighter Duran fought. So, he beat the best out of both and he also beat the best fighter he ever fought. When you also consider that, unlike most of Pac's bigger opponents these days, it was Duran who was considered past it at that stage, not his opponent, and Leonard that was as big as Margarito compared to Duran who started at 118 and was the same size as Pac.

Most experts and historians consider that fight to be arguably the greatest single fight in history because arguably it was two top ten ATG fighters in their prime, in the classic style battle, both fighting each other at their best. Duran, the older, smaller, underdog won. When was the last time Pac won a fight he wasn't meant to win?

Angelo Dundee, and I'm pretty sure we can say that he's a better trainer than Steward, called Duran "a cute, slippery, slick fighter that does a lot of things people don't see".

Gil Clancy called Duran one of the great defensive fighters ever and much smarter than most think and one of the best fighters in the history of the sport.

Cox, a great boxing journalist had this to say about him "He was at the peak of his powers in becoming one of the greatest fighters of all time in combining toughness and polished boxing skill. The one time street fighter was an artist." on his win over De Jesus (a HOFer).

Another Dundee comment during an interview 'Angelo Dundee said of Duran (SI Jan 30, ’78) “One gets the impression of Duran is that he’s a tough, rough brawler who just wades in and ducks nothing. But all you have to do is look at his face to see that is nonsense. He’s not marked up. He does a lot of cute things in there.”

Palomino, the great HOF welterweight champion said this of Duran “He’s good inside, very good, strong physically. The one thing that surprised me the most was his quickness. And his defensive ability. He moves his head a lot, feints a lot. He’s not an easy man to hit.”

Ray Arcel, probably the greatest trainer ever said “Duran knew how to fight. He knew what to do. If he looked at the corner the only thing I ever had to do was pretend to jab, once he was using his jab I knew he’d have no trouble. Even more important he knew how to think. When you talk about great fighters, always remember there was a guy named Roberto Duran. He was never given the opportunity to really display his wares because at his peak, he was overshadowed by Muhammad Ali.”

Another quote from Gil Clancy and Al Bernstein on the Barkley fight "Duran used boxing skill, slick defense, and clever inside fighting to offset Barkley’s greater size and power. Gil Clancy commenting at ringside said, “Duran just slipped 6 punches in a row” to which Al Bernstein, replied, “Duran has always been the master of defense, that is one of his trademarks.”

I could go on and on and on.....

If Pac was green and inexperienced when he drew with Marquez and lost to Morales (even though he had just beaten the greatest fighter of his career in the best fight of his career, was in his prime mid-late twenties and was a three/four time champion with about 40 fights) then Duran was green in his first fight against De Jesus and shot in his rematch against Leonard. Runs both ways kid.

All fighters when they start their careers are in their prime. Yes, they are inexperienced and green but they are still in their prime. They are in their prime and then hit their peak, which is their best years (basically when they become champion), then they start to go downhill (past it) and are then shot. Pac isn't the exception to every other fighter in history by only being in his prime after his last loss. He was in his prime when he got knocked out twice and he was in his prime when he lost to Morales and drew with Marquez, just as Duran was in his prime when he lost to De Jesus and Leonard the second time. Pac was green when he was knocked out the first time, but Duran wasn't at his best against Leonard the second time. See, it's all relative?

[Pogue69]

First: Duran beat Leonard. Leonard is better than every one of Pac's opponents combined and was the best fighter Duran fought. So, he beat the best out of both and he also beat the best fighter he ever fought. When you also consider that, unlike most of Pac's bigger opponents these days, it was Duran who was considered past it at that stage, not his opponent, and Leonard that was as big as Margarito compared to Duran who started at 118 and was the same size as Pac.

Most experts and historians consider that fight to be arguably the greatest single fight in history because arguably it was two top ten ATG fighters in their prime, in the classic style battle, both fighting each other at their best. Duran, the older, smaller, underdog won. When was the last time Pac won a fight he wasn't meant to win?

Angelo Dundee, and I'm pretty sure we can say that he's a better trainer than Steward, called Duran "a cute, slippery, slick fighter that does a lot of things people don't see".

Gil Clancy called Duran one of the great defensive fighters ever and much smarter than most think and one of the best fighters in the history of the sport.

Cox, a great boxing journalist had this to say about him "He was at the peak of his powers in becoming one of the greatest fighters of all time in combining toughness and polished boxing skill. The one time street fighter was an artist." on his win over De Jesus (a HOFer).

Another Dundee comment during an interview 'Angelo Dundee said of Duran (SI Jan 30, ’78) “One gets the impression of Duran is that he’s a tough, rough brawler who just wades in and ducks nothing. But all you have to do is look at his face to see that is nonsense. He’s not marked up. He does a lot of cute things in there.”

Palomino, the great HOF welterweight champion said this of Duran “He’s good inside, very good, strong physically. The one thing that surprised me the most was his quickness. And his defensive ability. He moves his head a lot, feints a lot. He’s not an easy man to hit.”

Ray Arcel, probably the greatest trainer ever said “Duran knew how to fight. He knew what to do. If he looked at the corner the only thing I ever had to do was pretend to jab, once he was using his jab I knew he’d have no trouble. Even more important he knew how to think. When you talk about great fighters, always remember there was a guy named Roberto Duran. He was never given the opportunity to really display his wares because at his peak, he was overshadowed by Muhammad Ali.”

Another quote from Gil Clancy and Al Bernstein on the Barkley fight "Duran used boxing skill, slick defense, and clever inside fighting to offset Barkley’s greater size and power. Gil Clancy commenting at ringside said, “Duran just slipped 6 punches in a row” to which Al Bernstein, replied, “Duran has always been the master of defense, that is one of his trademarks.”

I could go on and on and on.....

If Pac was green and inexperienced when he drew with Marquez and lost to Morales (even though he had just beaten the greatest fighter of his career in the best fight of his career, was in his prime mid-late twenties and was a three/four time champion with about 40 fights) then Duran was green in his first fight against De Jesus and shot in his rematch against Leonard. Runs both ways kid.

All fighters when they start their careers are in their prime. Yes, they are inexperienced and green but they are still in their prime. They are in their prime and then hit their peak, which is their best years, then they start to go downhill (past it) and are then shot. Pac isn't the exception to every other fighter in history by only being in his prime after his last loss. He was in his prime when he got knocked out twice and he was in his prime when he lost to Morales and drew with Marquez, just as Duran was in his prime when he lost to De Jesus and Leonard the second time. Pac was green when he was knocked out the first time, but Duran wasn't at his best against Leonard the second time. See, it's all relative?

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