Arum: Pac-Marquez will Happen if he’s no longer associated with Golden Boy

[Left Hook Tua]

I'm not talking about the how and why tv networks dropped boxing. I'm talking about a fight that shouldn't happen anyway, happening on PPV. And your response is? It's good? Uhh no.

fighters need tuneups. fighters need keep busy fights. prospects need to build up their records against tomato cans.

just how it is. just how it's always been.

not all of it will be bought by tv networks.

like i said , promoters barely make any money if at all on these small independent ppv's. a lot of times they just want to break even.

they just do it so they can keep their fighters busy.

[ThePrince]

Not if everyone has to sign to one promoter.

What?

That would make it easier actually. Imagine if all the biggest stars were under one umbrella, there would be no go-nowhere negotiations, bickering over splits, etc. Top Rank was recently able to sign (co-promotion if I'm not mistaken) Cintron- that opens up fights with Clottey, Chavez, Mosley, and Cotto (would be huge on PR parade weekend). Same thing with getting Bradley, Marquez, etc. More marquee names, less feuds that destroy matchups.

I'm sure Arum would much rather have his fighters on CBS than risking his own $ to produce Top Rank PPVs. And if he has the stable to routinely produce big fights... then how is that a bad thing for him, the fighters, the network, the fans?

Maybe I'm missing something here...

[IMDAZED]

fighters need tuneups. fighters need keep busy fights. prospects need to build up their records against tomato cans.

just how it is. just how it's always been.

not all of it will be bought by tv networks.

like i said , promoters barely make any money if at all on these small independent ppv's. a lot of times they just want to break even.

they just do it so they can keep their fighters busy.

Fighters needing tuneups? No kidding!! More PPVs isn't the answer.

[IMDAZED]

What?

That would make it easier actually. Imagine if all the biggest stars were under one umbrella, there would be no go-nowhere negotiations, bickering over splits, etc. Top Rank was recently able to sign (co-promotion if I'm not mistaken) Cintron- that opens up fights with Clottey, Chavez, Mosley, and Cotto (would be huge on PR parade weekend). Same thing with getting Bradley, Marquez, etc. More marquee names, less feuds that destroy matchups.

I'm sure Arum would much rather have his fighters on CBS than risking his own $ to produce Top Rank PPVs. And if he has the stable to routinely produce big fights... then how is that a bad thing for him, the fighters, the network, the fans?

Maybe I'm missing something here...

Sure, he would. And he'd much rather monopolize the market which any rational person knows, is never a good thing in any industry.

[The Gambler1981]

Yea you need competition~

[IMDAZED]

Yea you need competition~

I don't even understand the logic here.

More PPVs good? Because fighters need tuneups? Well my God, what were they ever doing before?

And Arum cornering the market is a good thing? We have some Top Rank cheerleaders on here or something.

[Left Hook Tua]

Fighters needing tuneups? No kidding!! More PPVs isn't the answer.

like i said , you're totally missing the point.

last time.

the promoters don't make any money of these independent ppv's.

it does however help them fund those tuneups that espn/showtime/hbo won't buy.

get it?

independent ppv's are on ppv BECAUSE the networks didn't buy it.

NOT the networks couldn't show it because it was on independent ppv.


i subscribe to showtime and hbo. better these ****ty fights i don't want to see be independent ppv's than them taking dates and away from the budget of hbo and showtime.

[IMDAZED]

like i said , you're totally missing the point.

last time.

the promoters don't make any money of these independent ppv's.

it does however help them fund those tuneups that espn/showtime/hbo won't buy.

get it?

independent ppv's are on ppv BECAUSE the networks didn't buy it.

NOT the networks couldn't show it because it was on independent ppv.


i subscribe to showtime and hbo. better these ****ty fights i don't want to see be independent ppv's than them taking dates and away from the budget of hbo and showtime.

Yeah, I get it. More PPV's are ok because that way you can charge people more money for bull**** because the networks don't want to buy that particular bull****. And you support it. Ok.

[The Gambler1981]

I don't even understand the logic here.

More PPVs good? Because fighters need tuneups? Well my God, what were they ever doing before?

And Arum cornering the market is a good thing? We have some Top Rank cheerleaders on here or something.

I have no real issue with PPV, that is giving the customer a choice. I would like to see a promoter take a risk buy TV time and sell commercials themselves but hey whatever that is pretty risky~

I definitely don't like the idea of Arum cornering the market though i have seen that story before.

[ThePrince]

Sure, he would. And he'd much rather monopolize the market which any rational person knows, is never a good thing in any industry.

It's not a good thing for the competition, that's for sure. But look at the UFC, which is what Arum AND Oscar are trying to emulate- they produce many PPVs per year and make a killing because White has had more or less a monopoly on the MMA market, maybe barring the HW division. He absorbed all the talent from PRIDE and other organizations and made a partner out of ****E the way Arum hopes to with CBS.

I've been saying this for a while now but I firmly believe a strong central leadership structure would go a very long way towards fixing the ills of Boxing. Instead of 233 different ABC belts and organization, go back to the days of one. Instead of every state having different commissions and different rules, have one central commission with one commissioner like every other sport. And if that same principle applies to promotions, then HBO's booking agents better dust off their resumes and turn them into Uncle Bob for the good of the sport.