Arum: Pac-Marquez will Happen if he’s no longer associated with Golden Boy

[IMDAZED]

Right...

You and dazed keep going on about how this will 'hurt' the fans but I've yet to see a single example of how. So please, educate me on how all the top fighters in the sport being under the same umbrella, possibly fighting on free TV in primetime, and fights not being harpooned by rival promoters, old grudges, and go-nowhere negotiations 'hurts' the fans exactly.

I'm all ears...

I think the reason why we keep going on about how we fans will "hurt" without citing an example is because the examples are slapping you right in the face. There are many issues surrounding one promoter getting everything. For starters, who is overseeing the promoters? And all the rules and regulations they love to ignore? What guarantee do you have that they will make a good fight and not one most beneficial to his pockets? That they are concerned about any fighter's health? Now, let's look at the reality. Is Pacquiao-Mosley a fight we wanted? No. Is it a fight worth springing $60 for? No. Were there other options? Yes. Is the fight on PPV? Yes. Are all fighters in each camp treated fairly? No. And this will change because we give one promoter the power to do whatever he wants with no opposition?

[Khalid X]

I see what Arum is doing here........

People may not like it but from a business standpoint, it's really a smart move.

Also, I really could care less who is promoting these fights, as long as they happen (and are done right), then I'm all for it.

[Carpe Diem]

How sad is that. What a sad commentary on the sport. And so-called fans support it. Can't wait till these ****s disappear.

We aren't going anywhere. Like it or not, we're here to stay. **Deal with it**

[ThePrince]

I think the reason why we keep going on about how we fans will "hurt" without citing an example is because the examples are slapping you right in the face. There are many issues surrounding one promoter getting everything. For starters, who is overseeing the promoters? And all the rules and regulations they love to ignore?

That's where a stronger, more cohesive, and centralized commission would come into play.

What guarantee do you have that they will make a good fight and not one most beneficial to his pockets?

The fight most beneficial to a promoter's pockets is the one that the most amount of people would tune in/pay for. If Marquez and Mosley were both Top Rank fighters after Margarito, I guarantee you the same people crying about not seeing Pac-Marquez III would be crying about how Pac is fighting an old, blown up Marquez

Why? Because it is the fight that fans want to see, and if there's no rival promoter to deal with and no old grudges getting in the way, then it gets done in a matter of days like Pac-Mosley did instead of the 3 year saga we have with Pac-Marquez III not happening.

That they are concerned about any fighter's health?

What does that have to do with anything? It would be the commissions and doctors' responsibility to oversee a fighters health, as it is now. Don't see why that would change because of a promotional monopoly.

Now, let's look at the reality. Is Pacquiao-Mosley a fight we wanted? No. Is it a fight worth springing $60 for? No. Were there other options? Yes. Is the fight on PPV? Yes. Are all fighters in each camp treated fairly? No. And this will change because we give one promoter the power to do whatever he wants with no opposition?

Pacquiao-Mosley was by far the most lucrative option for Top Rank because once Shane jumped ship from Golden Boy (like Marquez is doing now) Arum would be the sole beneficiary of the promotional cut. Also killed two birds with one stone because it allowed him to secure the CBS/SHOW deal AND set the precedent for his fighter poaching.

More marquee fighters under one banner mixed with public and network demand for certain match ups would lead to better fights with much greater frequency.

[IMDAZED]

That's where a stronger, more cohesive, and centralized commission would come into play.



The fight most beneficial to a promoter's pockets is the one that the most amount of people would tune in/pay for. If Marquez and Mosley were both Top Rank fighters after Margarito, I guarantee you the same people crying about not seeing Pac-Marquez III would be crying about how Pac is fighting an old, blown up Marquez

Why? Because it is the fight that fans want to see, and if there's no rival promoter to deal with and no old grudges getting in the way, then it gets done in a matter of days like Pac-Mosley did instead of the 3 year saga we have with Pac-Marquez III not happening.



What does that have to do with anything? It would be the commissions and doctors' responsibility to oversee a fighters health, as it is now. Don't see why that would change because of a promotional monopoly.



Pacquiao-Mosley was by far the most lucrative option for Top Rank because once Shane jumped ship from Golden Boy (like Marquez is doing now) Arum would be the sole beneficiary of the promotional cut. Also killed two birds with one stone because it allowed him to secure the CBS/SHOW deal AND set the precedent for his fighter poaching.

More marquee fighters under one banner mixed with public and network demand for certain match ups would lead to better fights with much greater frequency.

Do you work for Top Rank? Because your whole post reeks of what one of their senior management members might dream. All you're really saying is that this is good because it benefits Top Rank. Is this what you believe?

[ThePrince]

Do you work for Top Rank? Because your whole post reeks of what one of their senior management members might dream. All you're really saying is that this is good because it benefits Top Rank. Is this what you believe?

Way to counter my points, after I took the time to meticulously address yours

And I don't work for any Boxing related company, just telling you my POV on the matter at hand. You have a nice night though.

[IMDAZED]

Way to counter my points, after I took the time to meticulously address yours

And I don't work for any Boxing related company, just telling you my POV on the matter at hand. You have a nice night though.

Just because you had to actually sit and think of ways it benefits Top Rank doesn't mean it's right. I'm sorry, my friend, but none of that helps the sport. One promoter given free reign doesn't help the sport. And your theory that Pacquiao-Mosley helps the sport because a lot of people will watch it is so obtuse that I must in fact question whether or not you're some TR lackey. A lot of people would watch Tyson-Klitschko right now, want to address how that will benefit the sport? You'll no doubt find some way, I'm sure.

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R.i.p. Gbp

[jrosales13]

Just because you had to actually sit and think of ways it benefits Top Rank doesn't mean it's right. I'm sorry, my friend, but none of that helps the sport. One promoter given free reign doesn't help the sport. And your theory that Pacquiao-Mosley helps the sport because a lot of people will watch it is so obtuse that I must in fact question whether or not you're some TR lackey. A lot of people would watch Tyson-Klitschko right now, want to address how that will benefit the sport? You'll no doubt find some way, I'm sure.

I just don't get how high profile mismatches benefit the sport in anyway. Yes it benefits everybody who's involved pockets but not it doesn't benefit boxing.

[jrosales13]

R.i.p. Gbp

That is music to my ears. I'm not even going to lie if they close down shop I might throw a party.

But, I don't think it's over especially so soon. I mean who have they lost really? Mosley? He was never a draw and is done as a fighter. Not a big lost at all. JMM? Maybe that one hurts right now. He's the best current fighter from Mexico and arguably the best active fighter in GBP. But, lets be real he's on his way out. He has 1 at the most 2 more years on the elite level and then is over for him. It might be over for him right after he fights Pac TBH.

GBP still has some solid prospects that they can work and build. The question mark with Golden boy is can they build stars because they have some good young fighters that they could build around.

They also have Canelo who is very popular Mexico kind of a rock star. If he can make the move to the U.S and is match right and develops to a good fighter that sky could be the limit for him. He's very young that he still can get better.

They also have Khan who after every fight becomes more popular. Also a young fighter who already has top level talent and skills.

GBP might be alright. But, we'll see.