Who has a better defense? Locche or Mayweather?

[Walt Liquor]

wow, seems like we're really nitpicking if we're arguing that oscar wouldn't fight the best.

I have no idea how carlos can respect oscar's resume and still respect floyd's resume.

is this a tito v oscar thing or is jro just trying to crush oscar's resume?

i tell you what, oscar's resume takes a gigantic, brontosaurus sized hangover dump on floyd's resume.

[IronDanHamza]

I happen to think Vargas looked as good as he ever did.... The fact is, he was just good enough to be talked about with the elites of his era, but he could never beat any of them, such is the case with Cotto... But if you watch Vargas against DLH, you will see the same fighter (even with steroids) that fought earlier in his career....

Now watch Cotto that fought Pacquiao. Watch the lack of crispness in his punches, total lack of technique, and how slow he is in getting his punches off and how lackluster his left hook to the body is that he kept leading off with against Pacquiao. He just had nothing in him.

Watch the Cotto fight against Yuri Foreman.. It's the same thing. It wasn't until Yuri had his ACL torn in two that Miguel was able to bully him around, and even then I believe Yuri was getting the better of the exchanges that took place in the middle of the ring.

Cotto has had nothing left for quite some time. I don't know if it came from the success, or if it was from the beating he took at the hands of Margarito, but he is shot and has been for some time, and was so in going into his fight with Pacquiao.

I don't put too much emphasis on age, but the fact is that Vargas was in the prime of his career and only 25 years old when he fought Oscar and he was juiced up to the hilt.

I don't believe Vargas was the same fighter post Trinidad, still a legit fight and legit win for Oscar, I'm not taking nothing away from him. But it wasn't the same Vargas. JMO.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you about Cotto. I think Cotto showed he wasn't shot against Pacqiauo. He showed that he still has something left in the tank, although not the same as he once was. He hurt Pacqiauo when he landed and did sufficent damage to him in spots. The reason he looked so bad against Pacqiauo is because Pacqiauo is a terrible style matchup for him and Pacqiauo is simply better than Cotto.

I also disagree with your view of the Foreman fight.

We're going to have to agree to disagree my friend. I don't believe Cotto was shot and i don't believe Vargas was in his prime when he fought Oscar. But both wins are legit wins for either fighter.

[Walt Liquor]

Now watch Cotto that fought Pacquiao. Watch the lack of crispness in his punches, total lack of technique, and how slow he is in getting his punches off and how lackluster his left hook to the body is that he kept leading off with against Pacquiao. He just had nothing in him.

this is 100% not true, at least for the first 4-5 rounds. maybe you're talking about compared to manny's handspeed technique.

[CarlosG815]

If you going to mention Vargas being juiced up then lets demand for Oscar to sign the waiver.

Vargas was never dropped before Tito then after Tito he gets dropped by a light punching Rivera. His chin was cracked. It happens

Cotto looked very good in the last couple rounds against Pac. He was actually competitive for the first 5 rounds(take away the knockdowns). Is after that when he looked somewhat faded. But, that could be due more to Pacquiao.

Cotto win over Foreman is better than any win Vargas got after Tito.

So for you to say that Vargas went on "to have great success for years to come" is asinine. But, whatever.

If you think Cotto was shot while Vargas at the top of his game so be it. It's just furthers my su****ion that you have no credibility.

Vargas continued to have as much success as he ever did. What don't you get? He was never an "elite" but he was a guy that could be talked about with the "elites" of his era. He was good enough to fight guys like Tito and Oscar and Mosley and be challenging, but was never good enough to beat them. I am not sure which part you are not getting. Do you watch fights or do you just study resumes? Watch Vargas in the DLh fight and you will see that he looks as good as he ever did. The fact is, he was just never great enough to beat top tier guys. You want to try and pretend that it is asinine to say Vargas had success simply because he wasn't able to come out and fight a guy like Oscar, or Mosley, or Trinidad and come up with a win, but the fact that he was able to fight guys like Mosley and go 10 rounds says a lot.

Vargas was a big 154 and he was on steroids when Oscar fought him. As others have pointed out you just want to dump on Oscars resume because you despise him for whatever reason.

Cotto looked good? lol, J Ro you have just proven what I have thought all along and that is that you know nothing about boxing and you are simply a ******* in disguise who pretends to be open minded about boxing. Cotto may have been able to be competitive with Pacquiao but he was a shell of his former self. Let me take you back to Cotto's pro debut. Even as a green fighter just stepping up into the professional ranks, watch him cut off the ring like a 10 year pro, snap his jab off as quick as the best of the best and get his hands back into a defensive position. Watch him throw a lightning fast 2 punch combo and dip out of harms way just to come back with another well place pin point accurate punch.


Now show me where in his fight with Pacquiao he showed consistent technique necessary to win a fight with Pac. It was not there. He was wide open to every punch, lacked movement, and had no crispness in his punches.

Start watching fights instead of just reading about them and slamming every fighter.

[CarlosG815]

this is 100% not true, at least for the first 4-5 rounds. maybe you're talking about compared to manny's handspeed technique.

No.... In his prime Miguel Cotto had spectacular hand speed and crispy pin point punches. Marquez doesn't have the fastest handspeed in the world, and we all saw what he did to Manny. You don't need to have faster hands than him.

[CarlosG815]

wow, seems like we're really nitpicking if we're arguing that oscar wouldn't fight the best.

I have no idea how carlos can respect oscar's resume and still respect floyd's resume.

is this a tito v oscar thing or is jro just trying to crush oscar's resume?

i tell you what, oscar's resume takes a gigantic, brontosaurus sized hangover dump on floyd's resume.

I respect all great fighters and their resumes.

It is obvious to me, and obviously to you too, that J Ro just wants to slanders resume and accomplishments for whatever reason, I don't know. And I agree, Oscar has one of the greatest resumes of the last 20 years. Like I said - throwback to the old time greats.

[RubenSonny]

wow, seems like we're really nitpicking if we're arguing that oscar wouldn't fight the best.

I have no idea how carlos can respect oscar's resume and still respect floyd's resume.

is this a tito v oscar thing or is jro just trying to crush oscar's resume?

i tell you what, oscar's resume takes a gigantic, brontosaurus sized hangover dump on floyd's resume.

Not at all Floyd is clearly the greater fighter.

[J-H]

Mayweather because he's black.

[J-H]

Mayweather because he's black.

What's black gotta do with it?

[J-H]

What's black gotta do with it?

It means he's slick, son.