ESPN Dan Rafael's 140 division ranking [Dec. 14th, 2010]

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Amir Khan should be #1 he has a better resume than Bradley and Alexander...Ortiz shouldn't be on that list he's no longer a JWW he's a full WW...what is urango and malignaggi still doing there to along with Koltelnik who will campaign at 147?

Khan does not have a better resume than Bradley.

Bradley has wins over Witter, Holt[#1 ranked JWW at the time], Peterson at 140 and was robbed of a win over Campbell and next he's going to fight Alexander. This is all at 140.

Khan has wins over Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Salita, and Maidana.

Bradley is def #1 at 140.

Now Devon at #2 is a little bit off but not by much. He beat Witter, Urango, Kotelnik, and an old Corley all at 140. Khan should be #2 but look at his win over Salita and you can basically say both Khan and Alexander have the same amount of good wins at 140 which is 3 and you can't rule out a win for Alexander over Bradley.

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Actually, I wouldn't say that all. Unless my idea of getting caught cold is different from yours, Khan wasn't caught cold. Prescott had success countering Khan in their fight, as short as it was; he had landed several counter punches on Khan. Even the punch that initially hurt Khan was a counter if I'm not mistaken.

khan got beat by what everybody thought was a lesser fighter...simple as that. theres no way to argue around that unless ur trying to make excuses. but then any fighter tha loses can make excuses so its pointless.

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Actually, I wouldn't say that all. Unless my idea of getting caught cold is different from yours, Khan wasn't caught cold. Prescott had success countering Khan in their fight, as short as it was; he had landed several counter punches on Khan. Even the punch that initially hurt Khan was a counter if I'm not mistaken.

Your idea of counterpunching is warped. They were throwing punches at the same time. Khan tentative pawing and Prescott wild swings. Prescott landed first. The last time Prescott threw a counterpunch he probably knocked the cash register off.

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Lol if you're going to discredit me then at least try to sound intelligent or factual when you do it. Your argument has no weight.

Kotelnik was your standard alphabet titlist, nothing special but certainly one of the best in the division, he proved that after narrowly beating a very dangerous Maidana, who is now a top-5 ranked fighter at JWW. Khan outboxed Kotelnik from start to finish.

Kotelnik then went on a year's lay off and in his first fight back he out-boxed Devon Alexander, Dan Rafael's (and BoxingScene's) number 2 ranked fighter at JWW.

I think you're the one who is underestimating Kotelnik.




Boxers hardly ever knock each other out cold ala Martinez-Williams. Most stoppages come by TKO and referees stopping the fight.

And how can you say his power isn't impressive when he was snapping Maidana's head back on numerous occasions and almost stopped him with a body punch. Tim Bradley would not have got up and fought 11 full rounds after a punch like that.

Khan punches like an amateur? Well then I bet he could KO you with one amateurish punch then!



Yes, he's not a power-puncher, he's a boxer. But he certainly has above-average (and under-rated) power.

once again koltenik is good, but theres nothing that suggests that beating him is a better win that beating witter, campbell or holt. u arguing otherwise is preposeterous. makes no sense in my head.

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Actually, I wouldn't say that all. Unless my idea of getting caught cold is different from yours, Khan wasn't caught cold. Prescott had success countering Khan in their fight, as short as it was; he had landed several counter punches on Khan. Even the punch that initially hurt Khan was a counter if I'm not mistaken.

The punch that hurt him initially was a counter-left, yes. Khan was definitely not expecting it though. Much like the Sergio's punch that KO'd Williams, except Martinez's was an over-hand.

Same thing though, Khan and Williams didn't expect the punches. That's what I meant by being caught cold. Any punch that catches you off guard is going to hurt you or put you down.

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once again koltenik is good, but theres nothing that suggests that beating him is a better win that beating witter, campbell or holt. u arguing otherwise is preposeterous. makes no sense in my head.

Bradley did not beat Campbell! It was a no contest! He was outboxing him yes, but it was a NC. So he get's no credit for it. Completely disregard that fight.

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Khan does not have a better resume than Bradley.

Bradley has wins over Witter, Holt[#1 ranked JWW at the time], Peterson at 140 and was robbed of a win over Campbell and next he's going to fight Alexander. This is all at 140.

Khan has wins over Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Salita, and Maidana.

Bradley is def #1 at 140.

Now Devon at #2 is a little bit off but not by much. He beat Witter, Urango, Kotelnik, and an old Corley all at 140. Khan should be #2 but look at his win over Salita and you can basically say both Khan and Alexander have the same amount of good wins at 140 which is 3 and you can't rule out a win for Alexander over Bradley.

Alexander beat a past prime Witter. Witter was done, believe me.

Prime Witter fought Kotelnik and won a controversial decision. Some had Kotelnik winning that fight.

Alexander lost from Kotelnik.

Alexander only beat Urango. Thats it.

Amir has beaten Kotelnik, Malignaggi and Maidana. All of them in their primes. Malignaggi is debatable but he had his best win of his career a fight ago against Diaz. So I consider him prime.

So the #2 spot is definitely not debatable.

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The punch that hurt him initially was a counter-left, yes. Khan was definitely not expecting it though. Much like the Sergio's punch that KO'd Williams, except Martinez's was an over-hand.

Same thing though, Khan and Williams didn't expect the punches. That's what I meant by being caught cold. Any punch that catches you off guard is going to hurt you or put you down.

The thing is 'caught cold' usually has a negative meaning to it, as in he simply wasn't warmed up and was caught.

To me, the second part of your post doesn't suggest that.

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khan got beat by what everybody thought was a lesser fighter...simple as that. theres no way to argue around that unless ur trying to make excuses. but then any fighter tha loses can make excuses so its pointless.

I'm not making excuses.

Your idea of counterpunching is warped. They were throwing punches at the same time. Khan tentative pawing and Prescott wild swings. Prescott landed first. The last time Prescott threw a counterpunch he probably knocked the cash register off.

Okay.

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Bradley did not beat Campbell! It was a no contest! He was outboxing him yes, but it was a NC. So he get's no credit for it. Completely disregard that fight.

lol...ur a funny guy. arent u the same guy who said koltenik beat alexander???smh...u are too biased for your own good.