ESPN Dan Rafael's 140 division ranking [Dec. 14th, 2010]

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at jww??? thats not true. alexander is a champ, regardless of wat u think of his last fight. if losing to koltenik means he should be written off, then khan should have been written off after his loss to prescott.

theres still ortiz and peterson...all top contenders in one way or another.

Alexander got outboxed by Kotelnik.

Where as a weight-drained and therefore weak and chinny Khan got caught cold by Prescott and got stopped. He hardly got outboxed.

Getting outboxed for 8 or 9 rounds out of 12 is arguably worse than getting KO'd in some cases.

Lennow Lewis got KO'd and Pacquaio got KO'd early in his career.

[vellz13]

Kahn needs to avenge the loss to Prescott first before he can move up in the rankings.

MAKES ALOT OF SENSE

[Kagami Taiga]

Ok so in 3 years Bradley has beaten:

- Past-prime Witter (impressive performance nevertheless)

- Peterson (interim-champ with no defenses and no big name wins on his resume)

- Holt (a good win for Bradley)

- Cherry (C-class fighter imo)

- Vazquez (went on to win an alphabet at 135lbs. Good win)

The Campbell fight doesn't count because it was an NC - Bradley did look impressive though. But Campbell was also past-prime.

Khan, in half the time (18 months), has beaten:

- Prime-Kotelnik (very convincingly)

- Salita (C-class fighter like Cherry. Undefeated though)

- Malignaggi (Slightly past-prime. Stopped him in impressive fashion)

- Prime-Maidana (in the shape of his life. Almost stopped him).


IMO Khan's win over Maidana is better than any of Bradley's wins. I don't think anybody can deny that as Maidana is the most dangerous opponent at 140 if you take into consideration his power, pressure, chin and heart - he's relentless.

And it could be argued that Khan's win over Kotelnik is better than any of Bradley's wins apart from the Witter victory, especially considering that Kotelnik went on to out-box Alexander.




2 out of 4 - Salita and Malignaggi.

And he could very well have gotten a stoppage win over Maidana, who took over than 10 seconds to recover from that knockdown. When Cortez was asking Maidana if he was ok when he got up, Maidana grimaced and bent over - some referees would have taken that as a sign that he wasn't okay to continue and would have stopped the fight.

Also, the fight between himself and Kotelnik was so ridiculously one-sided that you could argue that the ref should have stopped it in the later rounds because Kotelnik was taking some good shots and not hurting Khan back. He was way behind on the cards and taking needless punishment (Kotelnik has a granite chin but that's no excuse as he was still getting hit a lot).

Therefore, it could possibly be argues that he could have won all 4 of his JWW fights by TKO.

Timothy Bradley hasn't stopped anybody in his last 8 fights (last 3 1/2 years).

only 2 fighters in khan's list are worth a damn, nuff said. how does that equal a better resume??? why are u still arguing?? and khans win over koltenik means something. koltenik was a nobody, he's still relatively unproven. stop overrating him. its a good win. but most of bradley's latest wins mean a whole lot more.

and yea, he battered mali into a tko but he didnt knock him out. salita is a bum. so yea, khans power isnt that impressive either. his combos are spectacular but he punches like an amateur, he doesnt put any force behind his blows half the time. and u need to quit with this whole u can argue this or that. ur making up results essentially.

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Kahn needs to avenge the loss to Prescott first before he can move up in the rankings.

MAKES ALOT OF SENSE

Bull****.

Khan was a weight-drained Lightweight when Prescott KO'd him.

His loss at Lightweight have no bearing on the JWW rankings.

By your logic then, Vic Darchinyan should have been stripped of his lineal title at 115 when he moved up in weight to 118 and lost to Abregu? Or JMM should have lost his lineal title for moving up in weight and losing to Mayweather.

What happens in other weight divisions should have no bearing on the JWW rankings.

[Pu$$yKiller]

ok, how many ppl have khan koed since coming to jww??

Kotelnik never been stopped. His stlye is very safe

Maidnana never been stopped. One bad ass mofo

Not only have both never been stopped, they probably won't ever be for a long ass time by anyone at 140.

Alexander maybe has more pop, but Bradley does not.

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01.) Amir Khan
02.) Timothy Bradley
03.) Marcos Maidana
04.) Andreas Kotelnik
05.) Devon Alexander
06.) Victor Ortiz
07.) Lamont Peterson
08.) Juan Urango
09.) Zab Judah
10.) Lucas Martin Matthysse

[Kagami Taiga]

Alexander got outboxed by Kotelnik.

Where as a weight-drained and therefore weak and chinny Khan got caught cold by Prescott and got stopped. He hardly got outboxed.

Getting outboxed for 8 or 9 rounds out of 12 is arguably worse than getting KO'd in some cases.

Lennow Lewis got KO'd and Pacquaio got KO'd early in his career.

lol...im officially done with u.

[Kagami Taiga]

Kotelnik never been stopped. His stlye is very safe

Maidnana never been stopped. One bad ass mofo

Not only have both never been stopped, they probably won't ever be for a long ass time by anyone at 140.

Alexander maybe has more pop, but Bradley does not.

i never said he did. but khan isnt a power puncher. thats my point.

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only 2 fighters in khan's list are worth a damn, nuff said. how does that equal a better resume??? why are u still arguing?? and khans win over koltenik means something. koltenik was a nobody, he's still relatively unproven. stop overrating him. its a good win. but most of bradley's latest wins mean a whole lot more.

Lol if you're going to discredit me then at least try to sound intelligent or factual when you do it. Your argument has no weight.

Kotelnik was your standard alphabet titlist, nothing special but certainly one of the best in the division, he proved that after narrowly beating a very dangerous Maidana, who is now a top-5 ranked fighter at JWW. Khan outboxed Kotelnik from start to finish.

Kotelnik then went on a year's lay off and in his first fight back he out-boxed Devon Alexander, Dan Rafael's (and BoxingScene's) number 2 ranked fighter at JWW.

I think you're the one who is underestimating Kotelnik.

and yea, he battered mali into a tko but he didnt knock him out. salita is a bum. so yea, khans power isnt that impressive either. his combos are spectacular but he punches like an amateur, he doesnt put any force behind his blows half the time. and u need to quit with this whole u can argue this or that. ur making up results essentially.

Boxers hardly ever knock each other out cold ala Martinez-Williams. Most stoppages come by TKO and referees stopping the fight.

And how can you say his power isn't impressive when he was snapping Maidana's head back on numerous occasions and almost stopped him with a body punch. Tim Bradley would not have got up and fought 11 full rounds after a punch like that.

Khan punches like an amateur? Well then I bet he could KO you with one amateurish punch then!

i never said he did. but khan isnt a power puncher. thats my point.

Yes, he's not a power-puncher, he's a boxer. But he certainly has above-average (and under-rated) power.

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Where as a weight-drained and therefore weak and chinny Khan got caught cold by Prescott and got stopped. He hardly got outboxed.

Actually, I wouldn't say that all. Unless my idea of getting caught cold is different from yours, Khan wasn't caught cold. Prescott had success countering Khan in their fight, as short as it was; he had landed several counter punches on Khan. Even the punch that initially hurt Khan was a counter if I'm not mistaken.