ESPN Dan Rafael's 140 division ranking [Dec. 14th, 2010]

[Pu$$yKiller]

i never said he did. but khan isnt a power puncher. thats my point.

His style is to box smart and use his world class speed.

Of course he's not a KO puncher but he has mroe chance to KO someone than Bradley.

Khan's pop stings and hurts, but he rarely sets his feet up. Agaisnt someone that he can hurt, he will show his power.

Bradley comes forward and lands some big shots in his fights, and he does drop people, but his power doesn't hurt them as such.


Bradley.

I agree Bradley is number 1 for sure, but his resume looks weaker everytime the guy he beat fights.

Nate was a NC, although his come abck fights showed he is done.

Holt lost his last fight I recall and seems done.

Peterson got a gift draw VS Ortiz.

Witter was in prime sort of, but not at his very best, he was not undefeated as Shaw etc.. claim. Zab Judah beat Witter ages ago, although Witter fought him on short notice. I didn't know Bradley before this fight, but he came up good. Top 10 for sure I'd say, maybe even 5 at the time.

Abregu is a no body in my eyes. Never even heard of him. Who?

So, Nate was a NC. Nate's recent claim was only his win over Juan really... at 135. NC anyway but not top 10, he was a 135 fighter.

Peterson still fairly green, and Ortiz is too IMO. Ortiz would die t Maidana again, he doesn't like getting hit. Not top 10 at the time IMO.

Holt was done, and TBH he was never that good, I mean he headbutted Torres and then KO'd him. His KO ratio is like 50%, just shows you he ahs power but his skills don't mean he can hit people. Not sure on his ranking.


Khan

Khan fought an out of prime Paulie for sure. He may have beat Juan, but Juan is limited. He's a good lil guy with no power. Still very fast and some boxing skills and is tough. No power though. Maybe he's gone to 147, but at the time, top 10 IMO.

Maidana is a brawler who has a chin and power. His fans, before this bull**** bandwagon told me he wasn't slow as I thought, and watching him again, I guess they were right. He is a good pressure fighter and beat a green Ortiz and a very clsoe SD vs Kotelnik whom I rate now. Top 5 IMO.

Kotelnik lost badly to Khan, but just pipped Maidana and in my eyes got robbed in a close, but clear fight VS Alexander. He is very defensive but has good technique. Top 5 IMO.


Alexander.

He beat Witter and stopped him, well made him quit I beleive. Witter was out of prime and couldn't deal with someone that had everything better than him. I never rated Witter myself. Witter's win over Harris revived him, but he was never that great. Still a hard style to fight. Not sure if Witter was top 10 at the time.

Urango was a good win IMO, although he is limited, he is generally tough. Lost to Hatton. Top 10, had a belt. Maybe top 5 at the time?

Old Corley. Not bad fight, although he lost a lot.

Kotelnik is on as a win, but IMO he lost.


Bradley.

Witter (Just out of prime but tricky)
Peterson (Green as leaves)
Holt (Not even that good and out of prime indeed, but had power)
Cherry (Erm better than nothing I guess)

Khan.

Maliaggi (Out of prime, but still had skills and speed)
Kotelnik (In prime and a defensive and technical guy)
Maidana (In prime and a monster to deal with)
Salita (The *** savior)

Alexnder.

Witter (Out of prime but tricky, although not ahd anything better than Alexnder such as power and speed
Urango (In prime, had some power, but a limited fighter)
Corley (Ok win, but old as anything)

[Kagami Taiga]

I'm not making excuses.



Okay.

no, im agreeing with u actually.

[wazaa.]

You cant count Campbell on Bradleys resume. **** didnt even last 3 rounds. Bradley would probably win, yeah but **** means nothing.

[vellz13]

Bull****.

Khan was a weight-drained Lightweight when Prescott KO'd him.

His loss at Lightweight have no bearing on the JWW rankings.

By your logic then, Vic Darchinyan should have been stripped of his lineal title at 115 when he moved up in weight to 118 and lost to Abregu? Or JMM should have lost his lineal title for moving up in weight and losing to Mayweather.

What happens in other weight divisions should have no bearing on the JWW rankings.

IF HE WANTS TO REMOVE ANY DOUBT IT MAKES SENSE

[-Spinal-]

Alexander beat a past prime Witter. Witter was done, believe me.

Prime Witter fought Kotelnik and won a controversial decision. Some had Kotelnik winning that fight.

Alexander lost from Kotelnik.

Alexander only beat Urango. Thats it.

Amir has beaten Kotelnik, Malignaggi and Maidana. All of them in their primes. Malignaggi is debatable but he had his best win of his career a fight ago against Diaz. So I consider him prime.

So the #2 spot is definitely not debatable.

I said Khan should be #2.

But Alexander's resume is not way off. His wins over Urango, Witter, and Kotelnik were good for his resume. Look, Malignaggi was a good win for Khan. I was rooting for Paulie to win, and plus he looked cool in that fight with his hair and all. I like Paulie's swag, I hope he comes back strong. Anyway, just because of the simple fact that Khan beat Kotelnik better than Alexander, that's the only way I have Khan at #2. Malignaggi=Witter, Urango=Maidana[both know for just their power]. Come on Wazza, you know Urango was one of the top JWW's when Alexander fought him just like Maidana was one of the top JWW's when Khan fought him. Plus Urango has never been stopped, let alone the way that Alexander stopped him.

[-Spinal-]

I agree Bradley is number 1 for sure, but his resume looks weaker everytime the guy he beat fights.

Bradley ruins fighters. He is the Bernard Hopkins of 140.

[Kagami Taiga]

You cant count Campbell on Bradleys resume. **** didnt even last 3 rounds. Bradley would probably win, yeah but **** means nothing.

yea, it was originally a win if im not mistaken. it wasnt until later that it was turned into a nc. but w/e point well taken.

[Pu$$yKiller]

OK let me get started on anyone talking about Prescott.

I have seen Khan since the 2004 Olympics and know more on him than most of you I would say. I have been one of his fights before when it was in London too.

Prescott happened after Khan had a ****ed up fight VS Michael Gomez.

Gomez came up in wiehgt and was a bum more or less and dropped Khan once.

Khan was also fighting for dear life VS Willie Limond a few fights before who was a guy who just got beat up by a chubby Erik Morales. Limond had hardly any KO's and dropped Khan extremely badly.

After Gomez dropping Khan, he got rid of his old trainer Harrison and got this other trainer. His trainer picked a guy (I think they are both Cuban) that had a high KO ratio (I think over 85, maybe even like 90%) and was 6 foot tall in Prescott.

Khan fought during Ramadaan which is a festival where ******s fast for 1 whole month. I am not sure if he did fast, but if he did, then it would make him weak. He does not fight during Ramadaan anymore now.

Anwyay, Khan had to go naked in a weigh in (Wazaa, was it the ebst weigh in ever?) I forgot which fight, but it showed that he had trouble making 135.

So, at the first bell he got hit with a jab and shook up. Something was not right, getting caught cold is when you drop with a fast hand but you are still with it, not dazed like a *****.

Then he got dropped, and got up and showed some heart but totally ****ed, and got dropped again. I have seen many fights when a fighter gets caugh cold, but more like a flash KD, not ****ed up.


Firstly, this is a 140 ranking. What Haye does in CW does not mean he becomes top 3 in HW. How bad Khan did at 135 is not about 140, and it was 2 years ago.

Anyway, Khan can make 140 easier, a 5 foot 11 guy who is not a thin man. He is not skinny.

Of coruse that lost is on his record, but if you think that 135 fighter has any bearing on what he does at 140, then good luck to you guys.

[£-4-£]

lol...ur a funny guy. arent u the same guy who said koltenik beat alexander???smh...u are too biased for your own good.

LOL. Everybody knows that Kotelnik beat Alexander! Only Alexander, his team, and the 3 ringside judges that scored it think otherwise.

Bradley ruins fighters. He is the Bernard Hopkins of 140.

He probably took Kendall Holt's soul, not Peterson's though.

Witter was already past-prime so I don't think he took Witter's soul.

[Pu$$yKiller]

Bradley ruins fighters. He is the Bernard Hopkins of 140.

Both of them would be great at helping me pick out what fruits go off in 2 days time.

I hate soft rotting fruit.