ESPN Dan Rafael's 140 division ranking [Dec. 14th, 2010]

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  • Kagami Taiga
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    #51
    Originally posted by £-4-£
    Last time I checked Hatton was the lineal champion up until only 18months ago. Then Pacquiao took over.

    Bradley has been the best in the division for the last year or so since Hatton's demise. But I believe Khan over took him by beating Maidana.
    being lineal champ was cool, but while hatton was looking for challenges outside of the division, bradley was tearing it up. witter cherry campbell peterson...all that in a 3 year period. there is no way u can tell me anything khan did in his time in jww outweighs that. only ppl who believe the stuff u say just really dont understand how the division was until recently.

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    • Sweet Jesus
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      #52
      All I care about is that top spot.

      Guess who holds it?

      Timothy Bradley.

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        #53
        Originally posted by £-4-£
        Khan is far superior in terms of power compared to Bradley. The stats say it all.

        Bradley's 42% KO ratio compared to Khan's 68%.

        Bradley couldn't rock Maidana or snap his head back with his punches, let alone put Maidana down (and almost out) with a body shot.
        ok, how many ppl have khan koed since coming to jww??

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        • wazaa.
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          #54
          Originally posted by Sweet Jesus
          All I care about is that top spot.

          Guess who holds it?

          Timothy Bradley.
          Apart from Timmeh, America got nobody.

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          • Sweet Jesus
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            #55
            Originally posted by wazaa.
            Apart from Timmeh, America got nobody.
            I think we have a man by the name of Andre Ward.

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            • Shadows
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              #56
              Originally posted by £-4-£
              Khan's the best in the division.

              He's the biggest, fastest, throws the best combinations, has the best jab, and has the best trainer and conditioning coach. He also has good movement and a decent defense. Proved he can take a punch too.

              Bradley is much smaller, he's fast but not as fast as Khan (he admitted so himself). Intelligent. He's feather-fisted compared to Khan. Probably slightly more skilled. Has a decent chin, but has been dropped in the past.

              Khan also has the best resume.
              Khan may very well beat Bradley.

              Khan's success is largely due to his physical abilities and talents, as IMHO, he needs a lot of work in other areas (including movement/footwork and defense, which you highlighted).

              I haven't seen Vazquez-Bradley, though I'd like too. Vazquez has similar dimensions to Khan, although he's not as talented physically. He is craftier and more intelligent though.

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              • 915angel
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                #57
                my list based of dan's list

                1.Amir Khan dnt like the guy but he's proven until we see bradley vs Devon can do

                2.Devon Alexander- I like this guy I have him beatin Bradley but wouldnt be suprised if he lost

                3.Timothy Bradley- I like him i'd like to have him as a tie for #2 but idk i think devon whoops him

                4.Victor Ortiz- Based off his last few fights after the Madiana Ko I think victors on a come-up

                5.Marcos Madiana- I knw he ko'd the #4 guy on my list but Marcos is coming off a loss this one was a hard one but until I see Madiana's next fight i'll leave him were he's at

                6.Lamont Peterson- where to start the guys a risky oppenent for ANYBODY regardless

                7.Zab Judah- I got to give this one to zab I wanted to pick Urango but Zab's been more active

                8.Juan Urango- Guy always has at the least a punchers chance againt his oppenents but if he comes with his A-game watch out he's a sleeper

                9. Paulie Malignaggi- As much of a feather fisted guy you might think he is he can and probally will box your socks off

                10. Andriy Kotelnik- I dont think he was the same after the Khan fight IMO he lost his hungry
                Last edited by 915angel; 12-16-2010, 02:34 PM. Reason: typo

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by wazaa.
                  Apart from Timmeh, America got nobody.
                  at jww??? thats not true. alexander is a champ, regardless of wat u think of his last fight. if losing to koltenik means he should be written off, then khan should have been written off after his loss to prescott.

                  theres still ortiz and peterson...all top contenders in one way or another.

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                  • strongisland24
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                    #59
                    dan rafael is a clown

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by DempseyRollin
                      being lineal champ was cool, but while hatton was looking for challenges outside of the division, bradley was tearing it up. witter cherry campbell peterson...all that in a 3 year period. there is no way u can tell me anything khan did in his time in jww outweighs that. only ppl who believe the stuff u say just really dont understand how the division was until recently.
                      Ok so in 3 years Bradley has beaten:

                      - Past-prime Witter (impressive performance nevertheless)

                      - Peterson (interim-champ with no defenses and no big name wins on his resume)

                      - Holt (a good win for Bradley)

                      - Cherry (C-class fighter imo)

                      - Vazquez (went on to win an alphabet at 135lbs. Good win)

                      The Campbell fight doesn't count because it was an NC - Bradley did look impressive though. But Campbell was also past-prime.

                      Khan, in half the time (18 months), has beaten:

                      - Kotelnik (very convincingly)

                      - Salita (C-class fighter like Cherry. Undefeated though)

                      - Malignaggi (Slightly past-prime. Stopped him in impressive fashion)

                      - Maidana (in the shape of his life. Almost stopped him).


                      IMO Khan's win over Maidana is better than any of Bradley's wins. I don't think anybody can deny that as Maidana is the most dangerous opponent at 140 if you take into consideration his power, pressure, chin and heart - he's relentless.

                      And it could be argued that Khan's win over Kotelnik is better than any of Bradley's wins apart from the Witter victory, especially considering that Kotelnik went on to out-box Alexander.


                      Originally posted by DempseyRollin
                      ok, how many ppl have khan koed since coming to jww??
                      2 out of 4 - Salita and Malignaggi.

                      And he could very well have gotten a stoppage win over Maidana, who took over than 10 seconds to recover from that knockdown. When Cortez was asking Maidana if he was ok when he got up, Maidana grimaced and bent over - some referees would have taken that as a sign that he wasn't okay to continue and would have stopped the fight.

                      Also, the fight between himself and Kotelnik was so ridiculously one-sided that you could argue that the ref should have stopped it in the later rounds because Kotelnik was taking some good shots and not hurting Khan back. He was way behind on the cards and taking needless punishment (Kotelnik has a granite chin but that's no excuse as he was still getting hit a lot).

                      Therefore, it could possibly be argues that he could have won all 4 of his JWW fights by TKO.

                      Timothy Bradley hasn't stopped anybody in his last 8 fights (last 3 1/2 years).
                      Last edited by £-4-£; 12-16-2010, 02:53 PM.

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