ESPN Dan Rafael's 140 division ranking [Dec. 14th, 2010]

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  • £-4-£
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    #31
    Originally posted by jrosales13
    How come you don't mention that Malignaggi was past prime too...

    Yes Rafael rankings are joke but anybody who ranks Khan over Bradley at 140 are not much better either. Hell even Wazaa ranks Bradley #1.
    Malignaggi wasn't "Prime", true. But Khan would have done the same to a Prime Malignaggi.

    Malignaggi was coming in to the fight off the back of 2 wins over Juan Diaz too.

    Witter was definitely past-prime, having already lost to Bradley at home.

    Khan's win over Kotelnik > Alexander's loss to Koltenik.

    Khan's win over Malignaggi ≥ Alexander's win over Witter.

    Khan's win over Maidana ≥ Alexander's win over Urango.

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      #32
      Originally posted by ts33
      Khan was KOed at 135, this is the 140 rankings. Is it that hard to understand?

      Maidana & Malignaggi > Urango and Witter
      Khans win over Kotelnik > Alexanders win over Kotelnik

      I never said he was garbage, just that he wasn't the second best in the division

      But maybe putting exclamation marks after everything i say gives my argument more weight

      ... I kid i kid :P
      Paulie shouldn't be on this list, he fights at 147 now... Kotelnik and Ortiz may soon follow... Other than that, the list isn't all that bad... I'd move Mbuza into the top 10 somewhere and take PM out...

      Witter was still in his prime when Bradley beat him in the UK but on the downside when Devon stopped him...

      1. Bradley
      2. Alexander
      3. Khan
      4. Maidana
      5. Kotelnik
      6. Judah
      7. Ortiz
      8. Peterson
      9. Matthyese
      10. Mbuza/Urango

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        #33
        Originally posted by Shadows
        Rafael having poor rankings shouldn't be surprising.

        Have you seen is bantamweight rankings? Or several of his rankings for the lower weight classes? He cannot even put a top ten together.
        im pretty sure he doesnt really pay attention to the lower divisons. he kinda seems to go by word of mouth or something. like i like donaire, but theres no way in hell he should be ranked above yonnhy perez at bantam weight, even if u think he may beat him.

        with that said 118 is the deepest division in boxing, hands down.

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          #34
          Originally posted by DempseyRollin
          say wat u want about wazaa, but i think he understands khan wayyyy more than any of these bandwagon fans. for that he gets credit.
          You calling me a bandwagon fan?

          I've been supporting Khan since 2004 when he was at the Olympics. So I've probably been supporting Khan longer than Wazaa too. I've followed his pro career since his first fight. I've even been to one of his fights, so stfu.

          And like Amir Khan, I'm a British-Asian.

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            #35
            Im always thought that Dan Rafael was the premiere boxing writer in the states but I've slowly realised he's a bag of ****

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              #36
              Originally posted by £-4-£
              You calling me a bandwagon fan?

              I've been supporting Khan since 2004 when he was at the Olympics. So I've probably been supporting Khan longer than Wazaa too. I've followed his pro career since his first fight. I've even been to one of his fights, so stfu.

              And like Amir Khan, I'm a British-Asian.
              lmao...i never mentioned u buddy. calm down. but i doooo think u overrate khan a tad bit.

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                #37
                1. Bradley
                2. Khan
                3. Kotelnik
                4. Maidana
                5. Alexander

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Joe Pesci
                  Khans resume is way better than Alexanders. Khan should be 2nd.


                  Kahn needs to avenge the loss to Prescott first before he can move up in the rankings.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by £-4-£
                    Malignaggi wasn't "Prime", true. But Khan would have done the same to a Prime Malignaggi.

                    Malignaggi was coming in to the fight off the back of 2 wins over Juan Diaz too.

                    Witter was definitely past-prime, having already lost to Bradley at home.

                    Khan's win over Kotelnik > Alexander's loss to Koltenik.

                    Khan's win over Malignaggi ≥ Alexander's win over Witter.

                    Khan's win over Maidana ≥ Alexander's win over Urango.
                    You like all over the place.

                    I am not comparing Khan to Alexander. I am talking about how you have Khan over Bradley.

                    You mentioned a Bradley win over Witter but Witter being past prime. Yet didn't mention the same thing for Khan in the Malignaggi win. Just seem pretty bias to me.

                    And, now you're saying that Khan would beat a prime...You don't get extra credit for what would of happen, you get credit for what you did. And, we don't know how a prime Malignaggi does...That is just an opinion why not deal with facts? That is like me saying Bradley would beat a prime Witter anyways so why not give him credit for beating a prime Witter? Do you get what I am saying. What I do know for a fact is that Witter was rank #1 when Bradley beat him.

                    There is no argument that anybody can make to have Khan over Bradley at 140.

                    Also another thing again I have no problem with anybody ranking Kotelnik #3 and Alexander #4. That is perfectly fine but it is the way you word stuff...Kotelnik does not have a win over Alexander. If you had Kotelnik winning that is fine, I had Kotelnik winning also. However, technically Alexander has that win. Go look at every single record book Alexander has that W. You can Kotelnik has a controversial lost to Alexander or was robbed against Kotelnik but to say he has a win when technically doesn't makes it untrue.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Di Bushbaby
                      Other than having Judah that high,his rankings are ok!!I'd like someone to explain to me how Khan has a better resume than Bradley or Alexander,though!!Maidana is the only really credible name on his resume!!Devon did have a tough night against Kotelnik,but he fought harder!!I think the fight was a draw,but 1 bad night doesn't make khan better than him,sorry!!
                      devon lost to kotelnik. just sayin
                      Last edited by Pacquiao'd; 12-16-2010, 01:55 PM.

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