there are no minimum weight limits, there are only maximum weight limits...

[The Evil 1-2]

I think you're the one who needs some common sense here. The catch-weight limit for the title, a vacant one at that, is ridiculous. Completely ludicrous.

However, what Pac weighs in at against a guy who now fights at JMW is irrelevant. Margarito is weighing in as a JMW and Pac is coming in under. If they were both going to come in under 147, that would be an entirely different story unless Margarito held the legitimate JMW title by beating the JMW champ at 154 and was ranked there. Obviously that's not the case and Marg is weighing in as a JMW, albeit at a JM catchweight limit.

So one of them weighs in at the limit. That is the purpose of the weight limit in boxing. To stop fighters going over it. Not to keep fighters from weighing in under it.

It's not an advantage for fighters to come in under but it can help them if they are fighting a much bigger guy by then using that size difference for a particular game plan, so whatever weight they come in under is utterly irrelevant as long as it's not over the limit.

Again though, the problem with this fight is not what weight they come in at. It's the fact that they are fighting at 150, for a vacant major 154 world title, stripped from the real world champ, at a catchweight, in a division that neither are ranked at, have never held a title at and have not even had a ranked fight at at all. That's the ****** ****ing corrupt crap from this fight.

FINALLY, THANK YOU FOR CREATING ACTUAL COMMON GROUND. You and I agree that a 154 lb belt shouldn't be fought at a catchweight limit of 150. There is no rule for a minimum weight, I understand that. But at the same time, how do you view the other units of measurement for weight that fall under specified limits. Back to my example, how would you see the weight of 141 LBS? Since there is no minimum limit, WHAT WEIGHTCLASS DOES 141 lbs fall under? Doesn't it mark the start of another division since it falls out of the jr. welterweight division or is it some floating specter of a weight that floats across all different divisions?

[Xyei]

he is not technically right though because it wouldn't be a possibility, it wont even be considered so how can it technically be possible? in a nut shell there is NO WAY that someone who is 135 faces someone who is 175 for a world title, that is simply not technically possible no matter how you twist my words or how you twist the rules yet that example still applies to his saying that there is no minimum limit. there may be no set minimum limits but there would be a point in time where the weight difference would be too much, the difference could be only but so much so to say that the RULES say there is 0 minimum limit is 100% bull****, because no commission whom follows the "RULES" wouldn't EVER let that go down no matter what this imbecile say's is "technically" possible or not, it's not possible in ANY way

Technically, there is no rule in boxing that says a fighter has to weigh a minimum amount. That's all he's saying man. You're the one who brought up the 135 pounder fighting a 175 pounder. No fighter would ever consider that. Maybe if someone tried to do that, they might make a rule but it's so ludicrous that they don't need to. This thread was started because people are saying that Pacquiao is wrong for fighting a guy who weighs 5.4 lbs more than he does. Let's talk about your issues with that rather than the scenario you made up.

[crillz]

Crillz: So, are you saying that someone who goes through his division and beats everyone in it and decides to fight someone up higher for a bigger fight but gives up a massive advantage of that fighter coming in many, many pounds bigger and tries to negate that by coming in at a weight that would serve his purposes best isn't allowed to fight?

As I mentioned earlier, Henry Armstrong came in at 134 to fight the great MW Ceferino Garcia. They fought for the 147 title and Garcia came in at 146. A 12 pound difference.

Why can Armstrong who was able to beat the champ at 147 not allowed to weigh in at his best weight as long as it doesn't go over the limit? He's giving an already huge advantage by just fighting these massive guys. Can't he come in at a weight in which his best assets will be there for him to try and negate the size?

Benny I respect your opinions and all but that's not what we debating or at least my disagreement with this guy, all in all in your example that is 12 pounds difference which happens all the time even now when fighters rehydrate overnight, what I'm debating with this dude is the fact that there is no mandate that says there is no minimum weight in a rule inside of a rule book because if you put too much weight between 2 fighters it wont be possible for them to fight in ANY regardless what this guy claims the rule book says

my point is there is no minimum, I can agree with that, but saying there is 0% limitations as to what the difference in weight can be is absurd, I literally on purpose created an outrageous scenario that clearly wouldn't be possible just to see what he says and he said it is possible, you had to dig as far back as Henry Armstrong to point out a 12 pound difference and I talked about a 40 pound difference and this idiot said it could happen

[ALG United]

My beef is not about advantages or disadvantages in this fight, I know this is an advantage for Margarito.

This is more about the principle of the sport, boxing is serious business and fighters should learn that weight classes exist for a reason, this is not wwe, if this keeps up next we're gonna have guys pacquiao's size fighting guys valuev's size for the hw title

Yes, boxers with principle, just like Floyd coming in 2lbs. over the contracted weight limit against Marquez, yeah Floyd has too much respect for us boxing fans....

[crillz]

Technically, there is no rule in boxing that says a fighter has to weigh a minimum amount. That's all he's saying man. You're the one who brought up the 135 pounder fighting a 175 pounder. No fighter would ever consider that. Maybe if someone tried to do that, they might make a rule but it's so ludicrous that they don't need to. This thread was started because people are saying that Pacquiao is wrong for fighting a guy who weighs 5.4 lbs more than he does. Let's talk about your issues with that rather than the scenario you made up.

so why when I say there is a point in which the weight difference would be too much I keep getting debated? you just said in an outrageous case like the one I said then they might make a rule but I came up with that scenario on purpose to test what he was saying, to say that there is 0% limitation the way this doofus is saying is to say that the scenario I created that you just said was crazy is actually possible and you and I both KNOW it's not

[BennyST]

Excellent post as usual, Benny. Nice examples from fighters of the past.

blah blah blah

[Xyei]

so why when I say there is a point in which the weight difference would be too much I keep getting debated? you just said in an outrageous case like the one I said then they might make a rule but I came up with that scenario on purpose to test what he was saying, to say that there is 0% limitation the way this doofus is saying is to say that the scenario I created that you just said was crazy is actually possible and you and I both KNOW it's not

I totally get what you are saying man. But why are we even arguing about this when he made the thread in response to people *****ing about how Pac is wrong for not weighing 150? I don't know what you guys were originally debating so maybe I'm missing something.

[crillz]

I think you're the one who needs some common sense here. The catch-weight limit for the title, a vacant one at that, is ridiculous. Completely ludicrous.

However, what Pac weighs in at against a guy who now fights at JMW is irrelevant. Margarito is weighing in as a JMW and Pac is coming in under. If they were both going to come in under 147, that would be an entirely different story unless Margarito held the legitimate JMW title by beating the JMW champ at 154 and was ranked there. Obviously that's not the case and Marg is weighing in as a JMW, albeit at a JM catchweight limit.

So one of them weighs in at the limit. That is the purpose of the weight limit in boxing. To stop fighters going over it. Not to keep fighters from weighing in under it.

It's not an advantage for fighters to come in under but it can help them if they are fighting a much bigger guy by then using that size difference for a particular game plan, so whatever weight they come in under is utterly irrelevant as long as it's not over the limit.

Again though, the problem with this fight is not what weight they come in at. It's the fact that they are fighting at 150, for a vacant major 154 world title, stripped from the real world champ, at a catchweight, in a division that neither are ranked at, have never held a title at and have not even had a ranked fight at at all. That's the ****** ****ing corrupt crap from this fight.

in reference to the bold statement only, so you're saying there is absolutely NO limit as to how much lower a fighter can come into a fight compared to his opponent?

[intoccabile]

listen up dummies cause you're about to get some education.

the maximum middleweight limit is 160 lbs.

the maximum jr middleweight limit is 154 lbs.

the maximum welterweight limit is 147 lbs.

the maximum jr welterweight limit is 140 lbs.

That means if JMM wants to fight martinez at 160 lbs, he can weigh 135 lbs and martinez can weigh 160 lbs and JMM can still win the title at middleweight.

when you use "160-155 lbs" to describe a middleweight bout, it's basically because most middleweights weigh around 160 to 155 lbs. however, it's possible for a one boxer to weigh 153 lbs and the other to weigh 160 lbs and the middleweight title will still be on the line for both.

what "160-155 lbs" really means is that the maximum limit for middleweight is 160 lbs and the maximum limit for jr middlweight is 154 lbs.

The maximum weight is 150 for this fight....so what weight class is thaT?

You're an idiot. This shouldn't be for a 154 title.

[Xyei]

The maximum weight is 150 for this fight....so what weight class is thaT?

You're an idiot. This shouldn't be for a 154 title.

If you read his other posts you'd find that he agrees with you on the bold.