there are no minimum weight limits, there are only maximum weight limits...

[HaglerSteelChin]

Only the WBC and Jose "SoyCorrupcionMan" get pull this one from a hat. Margs fights Roberto Garcia an unknown for a the WBC Intl Title, than becomes #1 contender, LOL.

Leonard vs Lalonde is compared to ths often. Lalonde's LHW title was not vacant, it was the SMW title in that fight that was vacant. Both fighters did come in close to the SMW limit, Lalonde came in at 167, if he didn't want to give up his LHW title, than he could have said no, but he wanted that big Leonard payday. It was not as abusive as people said. Because he was given a crack at an additional title and his biggest payday.

Sure Pac has Margs by the balls. Why? Margs is a suspended fighter and was not going to get any huge opportunity unless he accepted the catchweight, i don't think Margs is getting a raw deal, he is LUCKY to even get the fight, the raw deal is the integrity of the sport.

Its simple, if you don't like it, don't support it, and i won't put a nickel on this one.

[Reloaded]

Yes, boxers with principle, just like Floyd coming in 2lbs. over the contracted weight limit against Marquez, yeah Floyd has too much respect for us boxing fans....

But you applaud Pac forcing Cotto to defend his World Tiltle 2lbs under what the the belt stands for ,, Pac moves up a division and forces the champion to come down at a disadvantage to the champion ,,,, *** off !

[BennyST]

Benny I respect your opinions and all but that's not what we debating or at least my disagreement with this guy, all in all in your example that is 12 pounds difference which happens all the time even now when fighters rehydrate overnight, what I'm debating with this dude is the fact that there is no mandate that says there is no minimum weight in a rule inside of a rule book because if you put too much weight between 2 fighters it wont be possible for them to fight in ANY regardless what this guy claims the rule book says

my point is there is no minimum, I can agree with that, but saying there is 0% limitations as to what the difference in weight can be is absurd, I literally on purpose created an outrageous scenario that clearly wouldn't be possible just to see what he says and he said it is possible, you had to dig as far back as Henry Armstrong to point out a 12 pound difference and I talked about a 40 pound difference and this idiot said it could happen

Yeah, I know what you mean. However, I didn't need to go back as far as Armstrong. He is just the most obvious example because his whole career was like that. He nearly always came in under the lightweight limit against big guys who outweighed him by five, ten, fifteen pounds. He is the just the most obvious example.

Anyway, in theory it could happen. If a guy had shown himself capable of beating someone 40 pounds heavier or close to it previously I'm sure the commission would allow it.

But, no fighter is going to take that risk. Anyway, a minimum rule is not in effect anywhere so it doesn't matter what weight a fighter comes in at as long as it's not over the limit. That's really all this fight comes down to.

It's only 5 pounds. Five pounds is really nothing when it comes down to it. Fighters fight with that much difference every single weekend and more. It's just that this fight has been moronic from the get go that people are making a big deal of it suddenly. I don't understand what weight people expected Manny to come in at? Did they think he would deliberately negate his speed and quickness advantage by weighing in at 150? Margarito is the one they made the weight limit for. He has trouble getting down that low. Pacquiao can come in at whatever because he doesn't have any trouble with it.

To be honest though, I'm not actually sure what your argument/problem is with the weight? Is it that he came in under the 147 limit so this should not be a 154 title? Margarito needed to come in over the 147 limit because he can't make 147 so it had to be a JMW fight of some description.

The big problem with this fight is not the weights. It's the cacthweight limit for a 154 title fight between two unranked, untested fighters for a title that should still be with someone else who rightfully earned it. It's a complete bull**** title fight that sadly people will remember as being a legendary feat of massive proportions when in fact, it's against a guy who has never won a title or big fight at 154, has lost by horrible KO in his last big fight, got caught cheating, has not fought any top contender at 154 and yet they are both fighting for a major world title at 150? That's the problem with this farce.

[crillz]

I totally get what you are saying man. But why are we even arguing about this when he made the thread in response to people *****ing about how Pac is wrong for not weighing 150? I don't know what you guys were originally debating so maybe I'm missing something.

I originally came in here because without a single reply to the original thread where I spoke about this, where he got the idea for this thread, with no reply in that thread he went and made another thread talking slick about people who feel like the way I said I felt in the other thread but just not dropping my name, he made it painfully obvious he was talking about me yet didn't reference me yet when I press him about it he plays dumb like he doesn't know who I am, well if you didn't know who I was how you made a thread based off a conversation I had in a different thread?

I got around to writing this post and it started from there..

"so if Manny said "**** it" and decided to fight a light heavyweight for his title(s) you're telling me that would be okay simply because Manny didn't exceed 175? you're an imbecile..

there IS a problem with this situation it's just not as big of a problem as I made it in the other thread and how you're making it now, this shouldn't even be a topic you literally just made a thread based off my conversation in the other thread"

..he got all butt hurt but you just agreed with me it wouldn't be okay for Manny to fight someone 30 solid pounds above him at light heavyweight, that's just too obvious I can't believe I had to explain that to him

[Pullcounter]

I originally came in here because without a single reply to the original thread where I spoke about this, where he got the idea for this thread, with no reply in that thread he went and made another thread talking slick about people who feel like the way I said I felt in the other thread but just not dropping my name, he made it painfully obvious he was talking about me yet didn't reference me yet when I press him about it he plays dumb like he doesn't know who I am, well if you didn't know who I was how you made a thread based off a conversation I had in a different thread?

I got around to writing this post and it started from there..

"so if Manny said "**** it" and decided to fight a light heavyweight for his title(s) you're telling me that would be okay simply because Manny didn't exceed 175? you're an imbecile..

there IS a problem with this situation it's just not as big of a problem as I made it in the other thread and how you're making it now, this shouldn't even be a topic you literally just made a thread based off my conversation in the other thread"

..he got all butt hurt but you just agreed with me it wouldn't be okay for Manny to fight someone 30 solid pounds above him at light heavyweight, that's just too obvious I can't believe I had to explain that to him

lols... absworth... you reading this... omfg... ahahahahahahahah. the reason he has this "beef" with me is because I apparently didn't reference him and his thread. ridiculous...

[puga]

[QUOTE=crillz;9569160]I originally came in here because without a single reply to the original thread where I spoke about this, where he got the idea for this thread, with no reply in that thread he went and made another thread talking slick about people who feel like the way I said I felt in the other thread but just not dropping my name, he made it painfully obvious he was talking about me yet didn't reference me yet when I press him about it he plays dumb like he doesn't know who I am, well if you didn't know who I was how you made a thread based off a conversation I had in a different thread? QUOTE

get off your high horse man, this thread was a responsse for a lot of people who thinks theire is a minimum weight limit, ....why should the ts gve a **** about just one poster that he does'nt even know!....you act like your the man around here!

[BennyST]

in reference to the bold statement only, so you're saying there is absolutely NO limit as to how much lower a fighter can come into a fight compared to his opponent?

Yes, in theory. Obviously if we're going to get ****** on the matter and say a lightweight can fight a heavyweight....that's just silly and it wouldn't ever happen.

But, if a fighter can beat bigger guys at his most comfortable weight even if that happens to be one, two divisions lower and has slowly proven this by doing it gradually against bigger guys, then yes of course.

Don't forget that commissions and managers have to approve of all this. They know the fighter and if there is a significant risk, like some guy coming in against a MW fighter at 140 and has never proven he can beat bigger guys before then they won't sanction the fight.

If a fighter has shown he has no trouble beating bigger guys and then fights at 140 against a 160 fighter they probably will sanction it as it is in the best of the fighter if they feel coming in at that weight allows him his best condition and chance to beat the bigger man. A fighter coming in only five pounds below the other fighter is not even slightly a big deal though. The limit was for the benefit of the fighter who is at JMW and isn't allowed to go over that weight (or in this case 150). If another fighter can easily compete with these fighters and has shown no trouble in doing so and no risk then what weight he comes in at is irrelevant.

He has already shown he can beat the same guys Margarito has in fights against Clottey and Cotto. He comes in at a weight that serves him best and as long as neither fighter comes in over the limit he could have come in at 140, 135, whatever.

Apart from the obvious issues regarding the being a title fight, what exactly are your concerns with Pac's weight? Do you think it shouldn't be a JMW fight because he came in under 147? Again, the limit was not for his benefit. It was the fighter who cannot make 147 and is now a JMW fighter. It had to be at least a JMW fight os some type because one fighter had no chance of getting to 147.

[puga]

lols... absworth... you reading this... omfg... ahahahahahahahah. the reason he has this "beef" with me is because I apparently didn't reference him and his thread. ridiculous...

he thinks he's the man to beat around here!........lol

[crillz]

Yeah, I know what you mean. However, I didn't need to go back as far as Armstrong. He is just the most obvious example because his whole career was like that. He nearly always came in under the lightweight limit against big guys who outweighed him by five, ten, fifteen pounds. He is the just the most obvious example.

Anyway, in theory it could happen. If a guy had shown himself capable of beating someone 40 pounds heavier or close to it previously I'm sure the commission would allow it.

But, no fighter is going to take that risk. Anyway, a minimum rule is not in effect anywhere so it doesn't matter what weight a fighter comes in at as long as it's not over the limit. That's really all this fight comes down to.

It's only 5 pounds. Five pounds is really nothing when it comes down to it. Fighters fight with that much difference every single weekend and more. It's just that this fight has been moronic from the get go that people are making a big deal of it suddenly. I don't understand what weight people expected Manny to come in at? Did they think he would deliberately negate his speed and quickness advantage by weighing in at 150? Margarito is the one they made the weight limit for. He has trouble getting down that low. Pacquiao can come in at whatever because he doesn't have any trouble with it.

To be honest though, I'm not actually sure what your argument/problem is with the weight? Is it that he came in under the 147 limit so this should not be a 154 title? Margarito needed to come in over the 147 limit because he can't make 147 so it had to be a JMW fight of some description.

The big problem with this fight is not the weights. It's the cacthweight limit for a 154 title fight between two unranked, untested fighters for a title that should still be with someone else who rightfully earned it. It's a complete bull**** title fight that sadly people will remember as being a legendary feat of massive proportions when in fact, it's against a guy who has never won a title or big fight at 154, has lost by horrible KO in his last big fight, got caught cheating, has not fought any top contender at 154 and yet they are both fighting for a major world title at 150? That's the problem with this farce.

my problem before today's posts as a whole, my problem since this fight been signed is that they are fighting for a vacant title at a weight that doesn't equate with the title they are fighting for, they are both not ranked highly enough to have anything but their names and faces to warrant this opportunity and it's all being done to squeeze in another accolade and further taint and create tampered history, it will apprear much different than what it really is when history is written and I have always been against this fight and this is someone who loves Manny Pacquiao I just love the sport much more and I feel they disrespecting the integrity of it like the way De La Hoya did when he got a shot against B-Hop, Limond and Morales recently and even Ray Leonard against Donny Lalonde, it wasn't cool in those instances and it ain't cool now

I was just trying to make the point that no matter how capable you prove you are no commission would allow for someone to face another solid elite level champion that outweighs them by 40 pounds, 10-15 pounds? yea, 20 pounds? that's HIGHLY unlikely, 40 pounds? IT WONT HAPPEN (unless you're a Heavyweight which I've already stated earlier because there is literally NO limit there) the commissions wont let it happen, it would technically not be possible because no commission anywhere anytime would even entertain the thought

[Spray_resistant]

Yeah, I know what you mean. However, I didn't need to go back as far as Armstrong. He is just the most obvious example because his whole career was like that. He nearly always came in under the lightweight limit against big guys who outweighed him by five, ten, fifteen pounds. He is the just the most obvious example.

Anyway, in theory it could happen. If a guy had shown himself capable of beating someone 40 pounds heavier or close to it previously I'm sure the commission would allow it.

But, no fighter is going to take that risk. Anyway, a minimum rule is not in effect anywhere so it doesn't matter what weight a fighter comes in at as long as it's not over the limit. That's really all this fight comes down to.

It's only 5 pounds. Five pounds is really nothing when it comes down to it. Fighters fight with that much difference every single weekend and more. It's just that this fight has been moronic from the get go that people are making a big deal of it suddenly. I don't understand what weight people expected Manny to come in at? Did they think he would deliberately negate his speed and quickness advantage by weighing in at 150? Margarito is the one they made the weight limit for. He has trouble getting down that low. Pacquiao can come in at whatever because he doesn't have any trouble with it.

To be honest though, I'm not actually sure what your argument/problem is with the weight? Is it that he came in under the 147 limit so this should not be a 154 title? Margarito needed to come in over the 147 limit because he can't make 147 so it had to be a JMW fight of some description.

The big problem with this fight is not the weights. It's the cacthweight limit for a 154 title fight between two unranked, untested fighters for a title that should still be with someone else who rightfully earned it. It's a complete bull**** title fight that sadly people will remember as being a legendary feat of massive proportions when in fact, it's against a guy who has never won a title or big fight at 154, has lost by horrible KO in his last big fight, got caught cheating, has not fought any top contender at 154 and yet they are both fighting for a major world title at 150? That's the problem with this farce.

This an excellent post that explains everything clearly. Would a fight between a LW and a LHW be sanctioned? in almost all cases no because it would be a demolition if that LHW is even mediocre but if by some chance a great small fighter emerged and he has shown the ability to handle himself against much bigger men like at MW or SMW, there is no rule stating that the smaller fighter has to come in anywhere near 175 if the fight was sanctioned and that is fine.