there are no minimum weight limits, there are only maximum weight limits...

[Pullcounter]

simple to follow

and yet here we are 10 pages on something as basic to boxing as this...

Pull, there is no reason for anyone who is an active poster on this site and who watches fights regularly not to know this

it confounds me that someone with this lack of general knowledge about boxing would have the nerve to post at all in a boxing forum.

[Xyei]

Crillz: So, are you saying that someone who goes through his division and beats everyone in it and decides to fight someone up higher for a bigger fight but gives up a massive advantage of that fighter coming in many, many pounds bigger and tries to negate that by coming in at a weight that would serve his purposes best isn't allowed to fight?

As I mentioned earlier, Henry Armstrong came in at 134 to fight the great MW Ceferino Garcia. They fought for the 147 title and Garcia came in at 146. A 12 pound difference.

Why can Armstrong who was able to beat the champ at 147 not allowed to weigh in at his best weight as long as it doesn't go over the limit? He's giving an already huge advantage by just fighting these massive guys. Can't he come in at a weight in which his best assets will be there for him to try and negate the size?

Excellent post as usual, Benny. Nice examples from fighters of the past.

[Pullcounter]

this whole issue is a matter of opinion anyway which is what your friend fails to realize that he can say what he wants but it's his opinion not fact as he is trying to run around claiming

bwhhahahaahah!!!

aw man you make me lolz.

its not a matter of opinoin. it's a matter of the rules. there are maximum weight limits, there are no minimum weight limits.

[crillz]

Your example is a little extreme, but yes, any boxer, not just pac, ANY MUTHA****IN BOXER, can fight way above their weight class and as long as they are under the maximum weight limit, they can fight for the title there.

HOWEVER, no boxer, no sanctioning org, no commission, no promoter, nobody would usually do something like this.

you're slippery slope argument doesn't change the rules. THERE ARE NO MINIMUM WEIGHT LIMITS!!!



there is no problem with this situation. the only problem I see with this fight for the vacant 154 lbs title, is that pac and marg haven't done jack ***** at 154 lbs to be in contention for this belt.

gosh man do you even bother to understand what I'm saying? I understand there is no MINIMUM weight limit, I clarified that in the other thread (the one this one is about) that I blew up my OPINION of there being a minimal weight, my opinion was that there is a minimum weight but it was ONLY MY OPINION which doesn't make it fact the way I was trying to make it seem.

you saying though that a fighter can basically weigh 135 and while weighing 135 can fight someone who is 175 for the 175 pound title as long as he doesn't weigh over 175 and that's absurd and you're trying to push it over as fact when there is no written rule that says that you're just saying that to seem official and so no one can contest you but that's ONLY YOUR OPINION because if it COULD be done the commission wont get in between but you KNOW they wouldn't EVER let something like that happen

the only reason I became disrespectful was because you was being ignorant, you know you were so don't even deny that but we can keep this civil, I'm here to debate and share opinions and I'm ready to do that with you in a civil way but not when you being ignorant, you STILL haven't admitted that you got the idea for this thread based on my posts in the other thread, I'm the only person who said that on here and I said it immediately after Pacquiao's weight was announced

[Pullcounter]

i was also dumbfounded by ignorance of some "boxing die-hard" fans posting on here.

the ignorance is fine, but the refusal to back down from there position even thought its clearly wrong is astounding.

It makes me wonder how many posters actually watch and follow the sport and don't just post about things they don't know anything about....."implied rule"

the only way I can justify this level of ignorance is either they are new to the sport or they have been misinformed.

[Pullcounter]

I don't really like that the JMW title is being fought for by two people who haven't accomplished anything at 154 being fought at 150 but old Bob Arum made it happen and both sides agreed to it. Nothin we can do about that. I just don't get why everyone is all hung up on the fact that Pac didn't weigh 150 today.

honestly abosworth, this is the only point of contention that is valid against the 154 lbs belt being on the line for this fight. I myself do not recognize pac as an 8 division champ. maybe if he beat cotto at 154 lbs for his strap would I acknowledge him as an 8 division champ, as cotto beat foreman who beat santos.

[crillz]

bwhhahahaahah!!!

aw man you make me lolz.

its not a matter of opinoin. it's a matter of the rules. there are maximum weight limits, there are no minimum weight limits.

ass hole let me try this again, I ALSO think there aren't any Minimum weight limits, my problem with what you're saying is that you think someone who weighs 135 could weigh 135 and fight at 175 against a champion there for their title, they CAN'T do that because they wont sanction that, there is a point where the difference in weight can be too much and the fight can't happen it's not limitless the way you THINK yet are trying to pass off as fact

[Pullcounter]

fuck you, i know catchweights have been around that doesnt mean i have to like it. and who the fuck do u think u are. ur automatically of student of the game and i'm not ??

you don't have to like it, but you have to accept it.

everybody is a student of the sport, but some are more advanced than others or more knowledgeable in some areas that others. for example, you may know more about boxing nutrition than I do, but I don't begrudge you for that.

[Pullcounter]

If that's the case then he should be defending his welterweight title.

I honestly feel that this fight should've been for pac's WW title. yes. the 154 lbs strap on the line is meaningless. LET ME REPEAT: MEANINGLESS!!!!

The 150 is already a joke to begin with so to say that manny is being nice is a real stretch.

1) catchweights are a part of boxing. get over it.
2) I dunno how giving up 3 lbs to marg doesn't make pac a nice guy

[Pullcounter]

Crillz: So, are you saying that someone who goes through his division and beats everyone in it and decides to fight someone up higher for a bigger fight but gives up a massive advantage of that fighter coming in many, many pounds bigger and tries to negate that by coming in at a weight that would serve his purposes best isn't allowed to fight?

As I mentioned earlier, Henry Armstrong came in at 134 to fight the great MW Ceferino Garcia. They fought for the 147 title and Garcia came in at 146. A 12 pound difference.

Why can Armstrong who was able to beat the champ at 147 not allowed to weigh in at his best weight as long as it doesn't go over the limit? He's giving an already huge advantage by just fighting these massive guys. Can't he come in at a weight in which his best assets will be there for him to try and negate the size?

benny ftw..............