Interesting video on drug test issue

[mikemurni]

So if this was Pacquiao saying he wanted to clean up the sport and have random drug testing carried out by WADA/USADA, you'd be all for it. That's what you're saying with your media statement. Or would you be against it, because you're clearly against it right now.

That’s convenient for you to argue but that’s not how it happen, ain't it. Who’s being hypothetical now. You also forgot to mention that there was an unsubstantiated accusation by Floyd Sr. that Pac was takin’ steroids before that. It’s really convenient for them to throw out an accusation first so that they can be deemed justified in makin’ that demand. Isn’t it? Do you think they got scared when Pac knocked Hatton cold in 2 and made TKO Cotto in 11. Floyd Sr. was there live after all to witness those fight first hand.


And to you, that's natural in boxing. To those who have followed the sports for years... yearSSS, that isn't natural. For those who have followed the sport of baseball, what McGuire, Sosa, Bonds, Ramirez, Rodriguez, etc... What they did has never happened in years. What Marion Jones was doing, hadn't happened in years. Getting it yet, brick?

So in other words, you got owned. You are tryin’ to throw out another argument to bury your previous post that got trashed.

You want proof, let’s do a recap shall we:

Davis the ****** (post# 272): “And no, he's never faced the best fighters in every weight (or catchweight) class from '35 on.”

So I replied (post# 275): “He hasn’t faced some of the best fighters at ’40 and ’47? Prove it.”

Davis the ****** then said (post# 279) “Pacquiao didn't fight Cotto at '47. Pacquiao didn't fight Berto at '47. Pacquiao didn't face Mosley at '47. Pacquiao didn't/couldn't face Margarito at '47. Now that Margarito is at '54, they pit them at '50. Pacquiao didn't face Bradley, Maidana,or Alexander at '40. When Pacquiao was at '35 he avoided Casmayor, Campbell, Juan Diaz, or Joan Guzman....? Who, that's the best, has he faced?”

So I trashed it with this (post# 281) : “How many fights did Pac have at 135, 140, 147? If you total them up it will be just 6 if you include his next fight against Margarito. That’s 6 fights in 3 weight classes in a span of 24 months. How the hell would he have chance to fight all those fighters in that list. Do you expect him to fight every month?”

There was actually more that came after that but you just simply ignored it.

So you see, moron, after me provin your claim as trash that Pac never fought the best fighters in the higher weights, you immediately changed the subject to steroids.

What happen to your argument Pac not facing the best fighters? Shall we archive that as “ownage”.


You believe that Freddie Roach didn't know? I mean, you called him contradictory. There's video interviews where he's stated that Toney had an injury and the doctor prescribed steroids for him during their training camp for Ruiz. Toney also was caught using again a few fights later. There's no emotion attached, these are facts. Not only are these solid facts I'm providing, but you prove you're a brick by claiming Roach is unaware of this, yet call him a contradiction in previous posts. Which one is it? Which one do you like, 30,24,18,14, or 7? Just not random right?

No I believe the fact that the NSAC didn’t investigate him when Toney was charged for taking steroids. I also believe that Toney did not mention his name during the trial because that’s what happened. Those are facts, what you are doing are twisting the facts to favor your argument. Forcing him to be the bad guy on the whole Toney steroid scandal is the one being emotionally attached to Floyd’s nuts.


So, how about those special blends, you know, those, special concoctions that Pacquiao has no idea what Ariza puts in them, eh? Remember that 'fall guy' statement Ariza made? "Manny has no idea what I give him."

That’s right changed the subject after getting owned. What happened to your speculations on Ariza being linked to steroids.

First of all, there are fights where there is clearly a winner and clearly a loser yet the loser gets the nod. As I stated before, Ali-Funeka I, Malignaggi Diaz I are perfect examples. Some judges are influenced when scoring fights. Go to Canada and try to win on the cards. Be a GSP or Dibella entertainment fighter and try winning against a GBP fighter with judges appointed by GBP. Froch just went on record at the pre-fight presser with Abrahama and brought up official scoring with Abraham's promoter. It's common.

It’s called hometown decisions, moron. That happens all the time in boxing. Judges are swayed to give the close round to the hometown fighter . Fix fights is when judges gets paid by the promoter to rule the bout in their fighter’s favor. Do you have proof that the promoters paid those judges. If non, then STFU.


Margarito is a proven cheater. The state he was licensed certainly wouldn't re-instate him. Arum has a good relationship with Jerry Jones now. Texas state athletic commission sees big profit coming to them with this event, Arum pulls some strings, and all of a sudden, a fighter who could have permanently damaged or even worse, killed another fighter, is getting licensed to fight for a renowned title. That fighter also happens to be in-house. Arum did Margarito a huge favor because now he can at least have his future fights in Texas, but Margarito now owes Arum a favor. It's not a stretch.
You would think that if a guy is willing to cheat for his prize money, he'll certainly take a dive to earn the biggest check in his life.


Fool, Texas granted Margarito the license because the fight would generate millions of dollars in revenue for the state. Nevada was also inclined to give Margarito license even though Marg failed his application to the CSAC. So how the hell did Arum influence those commissions to sway to giving MArgarito a license?

Yes the fight was in-house, therefore Arum would benefit more on a Margarito win. He could set-up another rematch with Cotto, Pac. These are all in-house fights that would generate his company millions of dollars. So there goes your conspiracy theory off the window.

[deejd]

That interview of Mosley's "toothache" was after his 6th round KO of Vargas in the rematch. Your idiocy never fails. "Low risk/High reward": thank you for admitting that you're a parrot...?

Most ignorant quote I've seen on this whole boxingscene message board:

"Sure, Vargas was never the same after the back problems. But he was still a bigger name than May which translate to more $$$ for Mosley. "


Cong****.

I prefer this quote of yours as the top choice:
“I clearly rmember Pacquiao enforcing that into the contract, because for the third bout, Morales came in at '32, was penalized, and Pac had the choice to cancel the fight.”

Great job avoiding the fact you were wrong, again. Then again, that's brick for you.

If you really follow the chronology of events, Cotto was already being geared as a possible opponent for Pac. Cotto and Pac are both Top Rank so there was more money involved for both Arum and Pac.

Cotto is an equally great fight for Pac as Mosley considering that Cotto was also one of the top fighters in that division. Not to mention that Pac did fight the guy that beat Mosley. If you really are objective on this issue you would agree with this argument. But then again what do I expect from a *****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9-HTDcxhEY

http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/5/20...s-cotto-mosley

They were talking to Mosley at the same time and when Mosley caved to their demands they tuned him out and kept pursuing Cotto. Cotto beating Mosley happened before Cotto was stopped by Margarito. Then Mosley destroyed Margarito. By your logic, Mosley actually destroyed Cotto. Fact of the matter is that Pacquiao fought Cotto at an uncomfortable weight after looking awful in his previous bout. They didn't pick Mosley because Mosley looked great in his previous bout and he agreed willing to their weight and offered to go even lower.

Now Pacquiao is fighting Margarito at a catchweight for a title made for '54 and Margs looked average at best in his last fight. Go watch it, you'll see the light, brick.

Moron, what exactly did I ignore? Clottey withdrew from a negotiation with PWill because of purse dispute and made an excuse about a broken thumb. You highlighted this and yet you conveniently forgot to dispute my original point about Clottey being a formidable foe for Pac. So in other words, you cherrypicked my post by only looking for points that you think you can counter.

Clottey never delivers at fight night? Huh? How about the fight against Judah, and the two great fights that he had with Cotto and Margarito. You want to punish him for losing to 2 top WW’s, and yet you try to push a fighter like Berto against Pac, GTFO here.

"Clottey was a very good fighter. Paul Williams, who had a reputation of being an “avoided fighter”, does not want anything to do with Clottey." -brick

Clottey was never formidable. If pacquiao fans can speak down on Mayweather for his resume claiming Judah's a bum, then he can't be glorified for the sake Pacquiao's resume via Joshua Clottey. Get a grip; Clottey has no significant wins at '47 and he never will. Shane Mosley was the top welterweight because he beat "the guy" at that weight. Berto is still at '47 and Pacquiao could have faced him, the WBC champion, but they turned the cheek at that option when they ran from Mayweather's testing demand.

You moron, when I said source I mean Pac himself. You know the fighter who made the statement that he cannot move above 147. You gave me all sort of materials that came after that, and yet no quote from Pac himself that he wanted to fight at ‘54. That was your original argument that Pac contemplated about fighting at ’54, right? So who is making **** now.

Pacquiao said he wouldn't exceed in weight when he said it right? He has just fought at the '45 lb. weight limit right? His next fight, he wants the fight '47. Not '44, not '45, but '47. He lied and went up in weight. Now look where he's fighting. '50. It's okay, the guy lies.

So now he was training in between fights. If he was training in between fights, then you just made your argument even worst since his last fight was at ’47 which means he was just tryin’ to maintain his weight.

Huh? Oh, so you're saying Mayweather was 147 pounds when he was sparring in that footage. Terrible counterpoint, brick. Now you're just desperate.

Read back your post and go check it yourself. I ain’t doin’ it for you.

Obviously you don't seem high enough on your response to make a point of it, I expect that of bricks though.

It was Cotto who wanted ’45, not Roach. The negotiations was for Cotto to move down to ’44/’43 but Cotto said that he couldn’t move below ’45. It wasn’t Roach’s influence but Cotto’s stance at the 145 . So there you go, another lie..

The ‘147 fight was a logical weight for Pac/DLH. That was not a demand by Roach, it was by Team Pac. What you expect , make him move all the way to ‘54

Great, I never realized that Arum does the fighting for Pac in the ring now. You always failed to mention that it was rejected by the fighter himself so how can it be considered at all.

No, brick. Cotto wanted to fight at '47. Then when Roach moved from '43 to '44. Cotto sttated he couldn't go lower than '46. Roach then wanted '45, and fortunately for them, Cotto gave in and agreed to '45. It's like buying a new car; The dealership sets this high price in order for the customer to talk them down to the price the dealership actually wants. simple enough, brick?

Roach is part of Pac's team, brick. You continue trying to talk yourself into thinking you sound knowledgeable about anything. DLH look awful at '50 against Forbes so Roach wanted to drain him even further. He's already gone on record admitting this.

[deejd]

2010: Floyd is scared. Manny is a *****. We agreed, they lied. We're telling the truth, no we are.

What has Mayweather lied about? His camp has stated nothing to the media. Pacquiao and his team has done all the talking and they've even done all the talking for Mayweather apparently.

But here's where everything falters; "we agreed to all testing except anything within 7 days."

Because they've went on record stating that they "agreed to everything" and "mayweather isn't responding." Then go on HBO 24/7 and admit they lied, they now can't say anything else.

Now Roach is saying Mayweather rejected via Ellerbe, yet Ellerbe has stated that there were no negotiations.

At this point, I'd take Ellerbe's word over anybody in Pacquiao's camp just because they're proven liars whereas Mayweather's camp, hasn't made any statements.

[IAMBIAZED]

JESUS CHRIST! And I'm suppose to read this on my leisure. Can someone just make a book and be done with it? That's what the scientist are doing right now.

[IAMBIAZED]

[QUOTE=davis828;9505706]

2010: Floyd is scared. Manny is a *****. We agreed, they lied. We're telling the truth, no we are.

What has Mayweather lied about? His camp has stated nothing to the media. Pacquiao and his team has done all the talking and they've even done all the talking for Mayweather apparently.

But here's where everything falters; "we agreed to all testing except anything within 7 days."

Because they've went on record stating that they "agreed to everything" and "mayweather isn't responding." Then go on HBO 24/7 and admit they lied, they now can't say anything else.

Now Roach is saying Mayweather rejected via Ellerbe, yet Ellerbe has stated that there were no negotiations.

At this point, I'd take Ellerbe's word over anybody in Pacquiao's camp just because they're proven liars whereas Mayweather's camp, hasn't made any statements.

The Mayweathers didn't lie... Selective memory ain't we?

[mikemurni]

No. This thread is about a video addressing the drug testing issue, brick. It gets better.

Oh no, it ain’t anymore. This topic has already mushroomed on different subject. And it ain’t my fault because you made it that way.

See the correlation. Cotto gasses. He gassed against Clottey, He gassed against Margarito. He gassed against Mosley. He was gassing but was fortunate enough to stop Torres. When fighters start pressing the issue, Cotto tends to get on his bike in the middle rounds and try to cruise late. He was fortunate in each of those fights listed because he just happened to go up against fighters who tend to gas late as well. Typically, that happens to most, its natural.

Moron, read back my last reply and check if I said Cotto gassed out. I said Cotto had enough in the tank to make a comeback in the later rounds with a cut. What’s wrong with you? Can’t you read?

Cotto was in cruise-control, or is it because Cotto was mostly wide open for Clottey’s uppercut, which happens to be Clottey’s best punch. You know the same shot Pac threw that knockdown Cotto, and changed the complexion of the fight. It wasn’t being dehydrated that cause him to lose the middle rounds, in fact Cotto’s movement was good except that he had to fight with a cut early in the fight. You see, you don’t even know what you are talking about.

Funeka's a tough out for anyone, but the Campbell that showed up, was fatigue and sluggish. Like I stated before, if you've never dedicated yourself to the sport, you wouldn't know how much of a struggle it is to cut weight. Campbell put everything he had out of his body in the second round. Why do you think Funeka was whooping his ass the rest of the fight? Not because he was a puzzle, it's because Campbell's body shut down.

So Campbell was fatigue and sluggish. Alright, at what point in the fight was Campbell lookin’ sluggish. Because if I remember it, Campbell knockdown Funeka twice. Plus there was a lot of ebb and flow between both fighters.

It's sad that you actually think Cotto won that bout. It's even worse that you think Cotto was a force a '46 and '45 I'm assuming. Cotto looked awful at '46, and he looked even worse at '45. It's why he's at '54 now

No he is not, and if you only watch the fight, then you would know.

What? That makes zero sense. Especially since the fight with Mosley was never made at '43 and '40 when he offered. There's a difference between Mosley and the other two. Mosley looked amazing in his last win against Margarito. Cotto looked terrible against Clottey when Roach suckered him down in weight and De La Hoya Hoya looked awful in his win fighting Stevie Forbes at '50.

So what have we learned class? Fight the guys who look very mundane and below par and, AND, make them lose as much weight as possible. Avoid studs though.

WTF, so what? Mosley had never fought below at 147 since 1999, and you say he would have been a great fight at 143? You were all over the issue of Dela Hoya when he didn’t fight at 147 since 2001, and you expect me to believe that crap?

And no there is no correlation between Cotto and Mosley because Cotto was a career WW. To make him move down at 145 when he came in at 146 in his last fight was acceptable.


Hahahaha, that sounds even worse. Yet you're ignorant mind can't seem to wrap itself around the fact that jumping that many pounds in such a short span of time is not natural. Thanks, brick.

Also, Pacquiao didn't fight DLH at '54, nor has/will he fight at '54. He's fighting a proven cheater at '50.

So you changed the subject again because you are getting owned. It’s starting to get consistent now. I can’t prove his argument so I change the subject, and throw in the steroid excuse. Quite convenient for you, aint it?

'26 and '30... Slowing down via Juan Manuel Marquez aka 'please, leave me alone'. Not to mention Erik Morales getting some work in. He faced a lot of sub par competition at '26 and '30 as well.

Really Pac slowin down when he fought Marquez and Morales? Or is it because Morales and Marquez are both great fighters themselves? Can you prove at what point Pac slowed down with these fights?

His trainer is contradictory, your words. Just to be correct to your standards, this is all Roach has ever had. He's seen no success to this degree with other fighters let alone been able to keep many since they move on to other trainers. Don't let that guy fool you into thinking he's great just because you started watching boxing in 2008. I never rode the Pacquiao train. I've watched him since '22 and I've notice amazing physical changes up to now and I'd be belittling my own self if I just blindly went along with the hype instead of questioning, 'how come he's never looked this devastating before?' and thinking 'this is the same Pacquiao that had stamina issues at the lighter weights.'

Roach had done a great job on Khan. You can’t accept that notion. He did win Trainer of the Year 4 times. He is a Hall of Famer trainer, and you are sayin’ he is not a great trainer? Do you see something that the BWAA don’t see?

You do know that Pac was having problems makin’ weight too as early as the Morales fights? You do know that he was planning to move up to LW even before he fought Marquez at 130? So what physical changes that you see that ain’t natural that you are talkin’ about?

Never stated I did, I've stated in a previous post to this that I started watching Pac at '22 when he was getting more time on networks. No you're not forcing me to be a Pacquiao fan, but you're trying to tell me that if 'fighter A' requests 'fighter B' subject themselves to the exact same random drug tests that they are taking in an effort to show they are both clean, that 'fighter B' shouldn't agree.

I don't care who the fighters are. F it... it's not Mayweather and Pacquiao... Sergio Martinez is requesting random testing for Paul Williams. Nonito Donaire wants random testing between he and Darchinyan. Whomever, you're trying to tell me that its okay for someone to refute random testing and then turn around and go fight like everything's cool.

Like I said I am not forcing you the same way that don’t force me to believe your trash about Pac being on steroids.

Pac agreed to the testing, moron. Whether it was the first or second negotiations, he agreed to it.

[deejd]

That’s right. By the way, did Mosley accept Judah’s offer for a more stringent drug test? How did that turn out? This is because if I recall, Schaeffer and Mosley told Judah to **** off when he propose to have the test.

Mayweather did not pull the drug testing for his next fight because he would look like a fool and a hypocrite. I mean how would the media, boxing fans feel that he was forcing Pac to take the random testing, and not Mosley who is an admitted steroid user? I am sure you would have found a way to defend Floyd and spin around the issue because you just love the taste of his nuts.

Judah's attacked a referee and used dirty tactics on a world class level in his fight previous to signing on to Mosley... Tell me if you think he has leverage to demand that of Mosley. It's not right, but unless you're Mayweather, that stipulation won't happen.

Nope, if Mayweather withdrew the testing against Mosley or whomever his next fight was, I'd be giving him flack. Just like if this testing was requested of him and he didn't agree, I'd be questioning him. Only Pacquiao fans fantasize about nuts, so much that they dedicate "Floyd Mayweather" tags for anything about Manny Pacquiao.

Oh so now he went from zero to 14 because he was trying to make the fight. So it’s not about cleaning the sport anymore. Then why did he turn down the 7 days proposal for the second negotiations. You just owned yourself right there. “That was fair for everybody at that time.” is what you said. So why can’t it be fair in ’09 and unfair ’10. Remember this is about the validity of the steroid testing, and not Floyd’s demand. If he thinks that you can be caught with a 14 day cutoff in ’09, then why can’t you be caught in 7 day in ’10.

It is about cleaning up the sport, brick. Mayweather didn't want to compromise from 0 to 14 but he did because the 30 days offered by Pacquiao was a joke. He pitched 14 and gave Pacquiao a window to cheat and Pacquiao rejected because he wanted 24 days. So Mayweather swiped that off the table for good. Then Pacquiao offered 18 days after Mayweather beat Mosley. Then Pacquiao said 14... and now it was 7 that was the final stand. Why so many changes by Pacquiao????? Why not just hold your ground at 30 or 24? You're talking about Mayweather changing his stance, you want to talk about fresh new second negotiations, well, Mayweather stood at 0 from day one, not 14, not 7, 0.

We're talking about from May 2nd, brick...... May 2nd to now. What did Mayweather say on May 2nd when the fight was over...???

Who cares if Floyd changed his stance only once? The point is he still changed it. Both fighters were bargaining for a cutoff date that was acceptable for both. Floyd remained firm on the 14 days even during mediation because that was his stance regarding the drug test. He felt safe about that cutoff date. At least that’s what I thought at that time. I am not sure about its validity because I am not a medical doctor but in his mind the 14 days was enough.

And for Pacquiao, 24 days was safe... Why didn't he accept 14 when it was there? Explain that, brick, please....

It was all bull**** after all when Pac called his bluff and reduce his stance to 7 and Floyd rejected the offer. This drug testing bull**** was all about each fighter not fully giving to the other guy’s demand.

What bluff? The stance was full random testing, 0 day cutoff the night that Mayweather beat Mosley. 14 days was never on the table.... so what bluff? How do you call a 0 day cutoff "bluff" with a 7 day cutoff. Explain..... brick, explain.....

If Floyd was ready to fight then he would have not demanded the medical program. We would have already had the fight because all the terms were agreed upon. But Floyd just have to throw that wrench on what seemed to be a smooth negotiation.

You are talkin’ in circles, dude. If Floyd agreed to fight at a catchweight of 145 then he should have train his body to reach the 145 limit, but he didn’t. I am sure he could have made that weight of 145 because he had 6 months (the fight was moved from May to Sept) to do so.

The testing was the first thing requested for that fight. Ellerbe made it known that they wanted to fight Pacquiao if he submitted to the exact same testing Mayweather would take part in. That came first. Initially, Ariza made the statement to a news source, "Manny has no idea what I give him." Red flag.... Roach says, "we'll take any test that they want", which is a good clean up for Ariza's statement.

Now, Pacquiao makes demands, weight, gloves, penalty. Mayweather agrees to all under the impression they're taking the tests. The penalty came last and when Mayweather agreed (let's fight), that's when Pacquiao's team went into a tailspin and back out because testing was random and they didn't want that.

So what does that prove? It proves that when it comes to honoring contracts, Floyd is just undependable. It doesn’t matter whether the fight was ’54, ’47, or ’60, Floyd did not give a **** whether he would come in overweight or not because he knows he can pay his way out of the terms of his contract, and wouldn’t hurt so much considering the penalty was too small compared to the purse that he was going to receive for the fight.

Huh? Of 41 contracts, 40 were honored. That seems so unreliable doesn't it? Brick, you're ignorant. Mayweather has never missed the official weight limit for any weight class. He's never fought for a title at a catchweight and he's only fought at one catchweight. The fight was requested at '47 by Pacquiao.

Now show me when Mayweather never made the '47 lb. weight limit....? Go find it... Find the fight at 147 lbs. that Mayweather contractually agreed to where he didn't make weight.....

****. So its USADA who is the employer now. How involved is USADA in professional boxing? Why are they are running things for the NSAC who regulates all fights in Nevada. I never realized that fighters need to get approved with USADA to get licensed to fight in the state.

Yes the Klitshko, Pacquiao, Mosley lost their jobs, but so was the fighters that they were suppose to face. It works both ways, moron. I am sure Vitaly takes good care of his body. And I mean that without any malicious intent.

Is NSAC administering the random drug testing, brick?

Yeah but there's the thing, the fighters who lost their jobs against, Vitaly, Pac, and Mosley, didn't compromise their integrity in the process.

Yes it was great that you use quotes in December, which is more recent, except that you didn’t get it from the same source. Pac made the quote in November so if you want to get a sound byte if the fighter had a change of heart, then you should have gotten a quote in December from him and not from anyone else.

WTF, Pac made that statement after the 145 lb fight with Cotto that he cannot go beyond 147. So he fought Clottey at 147. So how the hell did he lie?

Is '45 the same as '47? No, brick... brick through and through. There's no excuse for not comprehending that '45 and '47 are not the same weight.

Is '44 and '46 the same? You claim that it isn't so how is '45 and '47 the same, brick?

[mikemurni]

Davis, you sure about that last post of yours. You do know I can do another recap of our conversation to own you with your own post? I suggest you do some back reading. Anyway, carry on. I will answer it tomorrow.

Dude fix this one. Its not even in-sync with the argument about the penalty clause. I am talkin about the JMM-Mayweather fight. Come on, dude..


Me:
You are talkin’ in circles, dude. If Floyd agreed to fight at a catchweight of 145 then he should have train his body to reach the 145 limit, but he didn’t. I am sure he could have made that weight of 145 because he had 6 months (the fight was moved from May to Sept) to do so.

You:
Now, Pacquiao makes demands, weight, gloves, penalty. Mayweather agrees to all under the impression they're taking the tests. The penalty came last and when Mayweather agreed (let's fight), that's when Pacquiao's team went into a tailspin and back out because testing was random and they didn't want that.

[danny711]

lol you got me..... I know its old but most Pac fans dont know any real facts..... Its like they just repeat what comes out of Team Pacs camp. These are very hard facts is all... And I never knew how to post it till tonite,

Hard facts, that's funny. Manny has agreed to OST that would prevent him from training harder as your video states. The hard facts are that every time Manny agrees to more testing, someone asks for more testing on top of that. First it's 14 days. He agrees, then it's up to fight night. Manny goes to 7 days. Now you want him to be tested year round. How about we hook him to 2 IVs and one puts in fluids and one takes a blood drip. Hook up a catheter for good measure.

[deejd]

That’s convenient for you to argue but that’s not how it happen, ain't it. Who’s being hypothetical now. You also forgot to mention that there was an unsubstantiated accusation by Floyd Sr. that Pac was takin’ steroids before that. It’s really convenient for them to throw out an accusation first so that they can be deemed justified in makin’ that demand. Isn’t it? Do you think they got scared when Pac knocked Hatton cold in 2 and made TKO Cotto in 11. Floyd Sr. was there live after all to witness those fight first hand.

Your statement uses an opinion, not a fact:

"Who gives a **** about the persona which he tries to reveal on tv. If Floyd wants to have a reputation as a prick outside the ring then so be it. But don’t ask boxing fans to trust him on whatever he says. Because if he says that he was tryin to “clean up the sport”, then how the **** do we know that he is really sincere about that ****."

My statement simply was made based off your opinion. That's called counterpointing.

Floyd Sr. made the accusation, yet it's Jr. and GBP that are supposedly suppose to be in court? You say, that's what justified their demand, but what justifies their $10 million penalty demand at the '47 lb. limit when it's been proven that Mayweather has made that weight every single time he's contractually signed to fight at that weight limit?

And to you, that's natural in boxing. To those who have followed the sports for years... yearSSS, that isn't natural. For those who have followed the sport of baseball, what McGuire, Sosa, Bonds, Ramirez, Rodriguez, etc... What they did has never happened in years. What Marion Jones was doing, hadn't happened in years. Getting it yet, brick?

So in other words, you got owned. You are tryin’ to throw out another argument to bury your previous post that got trashed.

You want proof, let’s do a recap shall we:

Davis the ****** (post# 272): “And no, he's never faced the best fighters in every weight (or catchweight) class from '35 on.”

So I replied (post# 275): “He hasn’t faced some of the best fighters at ’40 and ’47? Prove it.”

Davis the ****** then said (post# 279) “Pacquiao didn't fight Cotto at '47. Pacquiao didn't fight Berto at '47. Pacquiao didn't face Mosley at '47. Pacquiao didn't/couldn't face Margarito at '47. Now that Margarito is at '54, they pit them at '50. Pacquiao didn't face Bradley, Maidana,or Alexander at '40. When Pacquiao was at '35 he avoided Casmayor, Campbell, Juan Diaz, or Joan Guzman....? Who, that's the best, has he faced?”

So I trashed it with this (post# 281) : “How many fights did Pac have at 135, 140, 147? If you total them up it will be just 6 if you include his next fight against Margarito. That’s 6 fights in 3 weight classes in a span of 24 months. How the hell would he have chance to fight all those fighters in that list. Do you expect him to fight every month?”

There was actually more that came after that but you just simply ignored it.

So you see, moron, after me provin your claim as trash that Pac never fought the best fighters in the higher weights, you immediately changed the subject to steroids.

What happen to your argument Pac not facing the best fighters? Shall we archive that as “ownage”.

Brick, you seize to amaze with your unparalleled ignorance. Not only have you admitted that Pacquiao hasn't fought the best fighters through re-posting my point, but on top of that, you emphasize the point that Pacquiao could be using by going through so many weight classes in such a short period of time. Double Whammy! Thank you very much, brick. You're starting to understand now.

No I believe the fact that the NSAC didn’t investigate him when Toney was charged for taking steroids. I also believe that Toney did not mention his name during the trial because that’s what happened. Those are facts, what you are doing are twisting the facts to favor your argument. Forcing him to be the bad guy on the whole Toney steroid scandal is the one being emotionally attached to Floyd’s nuts.

Emotionally attached... How? For proving that Toney was caught while he was being trained by Roach? Then proving Toney was caught again, in another later incident. Whether he name Roach at a trial or not doesn't matter. He was with Roach at a time when Justin Fortune (steroids) was still working with Roach at Wild Card. Justine Fortune leaves Roach in '07, enter Alex Ariza and his "special blends." To easy, brick.

That’s right changed the subject after getting owned. What happened to your speculations on Ariza being linked to steroids.

See above.

First of all, there are fights where there is clearly a winner and clearly a loser yet the loser gets the nod. As I stated before, Ali-Funeka I, Malignaggi Diaz I are perfect examples. Some judges are influenced when scoring fights. Go to Canada and try to win on the cards. Be a GSP or Dibella entertainment fighter and try winning against a GBP fighter with judges appointed by GBP. Froch just went on record at the pre-fight presser with Abrahama and brought up official scoring with Abraham's promoter. It's common.

It’s called hometown decisions, moron. That happens all the time in boxing. Judges are swayed to give the close round to the hometown fighter . Fix fights is when judges gets paid by the promoter to rule the bout in their fighter’s favor. Do you have proof that the promoters paid those judges. If non, then STFU.

STFU? A tad perturbed are we?

So how do you explain a home decision for two fighters that aren't from that country? Guzman, who is Dominican, fights for GBP. Funeka, who is South African, fights for GSP. They fight in Canada. You clearly didn't watch this but let me give you a rundown; from round 3 to 12, Guzman get his face punched repeatedly, is knocked down late, trying to survive, and has a huge gash in his face. All the judges are appointed by GBP, and what looked to be an easy UD turns into a draw that even Guzman and his corner are in heavy 'awe' to believe.

Explain that and tell me fixes don't happen. Also, you telling me "if you have proof" is like me telling you "unless you were right there with Mayweather negotiation on his behalf" or you telling me "unless you made the special blends and handed them to Pacquiao." A bit of a stretch don't you think.

Fact is that I've provided proof of fixed fights and don't be surprised if Novemeber 13th, you actually witness one.

Fool, Texas granted Margarito the license because the fight would generate millions of dollars in revenue for the state. Nevada was also inclined to give Margarito license even though Marg failed his application to the CSAC. So how the hell did Arum influence those commissions to sway to giving MArgarito a license?

Yes the fight was in-house, therefore Arum would benefit more on a Margarito win. He could set-up another rematch with Cotto, Pac. These are all in-house fights that would generate his company millions of dollars. So there goes your conspiracy theory off the window.

When was Nevada ever going to host? Whatever California decided was going to be across the board for Nevada.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl...ory?id=5453281

Texas, which can be considered crooked when it comes to the sport, would be more than obliged to take money to host that fight. Arum has money, Jerry Jones has loads of money, it's not hard to sway the little ol' Texas commission to let a cheater get a license. add it up, guy, you even said it yourself, finally something sensible;

"Texas granted Margarito the license because the fight would generate millions of dollars in revenue for the state." -brick

Conspiracy? If Pacquiao were to lose, Arum would be done, that's all he has to generate money. Even when Margarito was winning, even after Cotto, he couldn't draw. Cotto was the biggest draw after Pacquiao and he doesn't even do major numbers. If Pacquiao loses, Arum is nothing and he knows that.