Interesting video on drug test issue

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But wasn't HE on vacation so he wouldn't even know the terms for him to reject it. Or are you saying he lied about the "vacation"?

He only needs his phone and Bob only need to ring it , dont matter where he is everybody has a vacation straight after a big fight , Bob didnt ring anyway , he had Manny lie about saying he agreed but it was all bull**** just so they could sell the fools El Cheato instead of taking the test for the fight we all want , ***en Manny the lying ****roach , a blatant liar fancy that , caught on tape lol .

[Eastbay Giant]

Pac just loves his lil man whores who comes to his defense every time a REAL boxing fan questions his integrity.





He got these *******s in a trance.

[deejd]

You moron I didnt bring out Mosley to trash him as Floyd's choice in having that as a bail out fight (yes both Clottey and Mosley were bail out fights for the failed negotiations). It was a good choice and you can backtrack all my post if I said it wasn't. That was not my argument at all...

If you were really payin' attention then you would know that the point I was tryin' to make was not whether he chose Mosley as the opponent but why he chose to fight him at WW when you said all along he wanted Pac to fight him at 154. What makes Pac so different with Mosley when both were the top WW's at that point of their careers. Why does he wanna fight Pac at 154, and Mosley at 147?

How can he make a concession for fighting at 147 when he didnt have plans to fight at 154 in the first place.



If he requested to have the testing be done at 14 days and felt safe about that cutoff, then why backtrack and go back to zero if his purpose for making Pac take the test is to "clean up the sport?" Plus the demand was originated from a malicous accusation that they started. So you see Floyd's intentions were suspect at best.

Its called negotiations, Pac is within his rights to say no considering that a medical program was never instituted as a contract point before. Yes there were cases for Holyfield, etc but even then the procedure on when and how to take the test was never really laid out...

And before you go back about the weight penalty, Pac had earned that right to ask for that insurance for reasons that I already laid out which of course you failed to dispute..


Do I even need to dispute this. Your analogy is as lame as your argument. The problem with that analogy was Pac has never been tested positive before so he was never a steroid user.



WTF, the penalty clause purpose is not whether he ever came above at 147 or not. The penalty clause is there because Pac's team did not want to be on the receiving end of Floyd's ability to bail out from a provision of an agreement of a signed contract. And they have the right to feel this way for good reasons because it did happen. The high penalty amount was to make sure that Floyd will honor the agreement that he signed. What so freaking hard to understand about that?






Hehehe, how can you be correct with that chronological order when Pac said it himself that he cannot fight above 147 a few hours after the Cotto fight which is November. The negotiations happened in December so your starting point is already flawed right there..

And how the hell did you came up with that type of chronology when all of this terms (purse split, weight, penealty, ring size, glove size) where all discussed initially in close door session away from the media.
So you see, we already caught you on a lie right there..

"yes both Clottey and Mosley were bail out fights for the failed negotiations"

And that's what I'm talking about, you weren't labeling Clottey a bail out fight because you ride Pacquiao so hard. When you call someone a bail out fight, you're meaning to bring down the opponents value. Pacquiao's fight with Clottey was a bail out, literally. They had no answer for random testing, and went into a tail spin trying to find a way out and someone to fill that March 13th spot. Mayweather didn't have a bail out plan, his plan was Manny Pacquiao March 13th. Then the boxing world and Pac fans like yourself, salivated at the fact that Berto pulling out of the Mosley fight and all of a sudden it was, "what excuse this time Floyd?" and "duck Mosley this, duck Mosley that." How is someone a supposed "bail out fight" when there's a general consensus that they're feared???

"What makes Pac so different with Mosley when both were the top WW's at that point of their careers. Why does he wanna fight Pac at 154, and Mosley at 147?"

Mosley and Berto signed to fight each other at the '47 lb. weight limit Nov. 14th. The real top welters that is since Mosley held the WBA strap and Berto the WBC. So how is Mayweather going to fight Mosley at '54? Yet Pacquiao is in talks at fighting at '54 the same time negotiations with Mayweather stall. Riddle me that, go ahead....

So if Mayweather agrees to Pacquiao's terms of fighting at '47 with 8 oz. don't you think he's already going to be prepping for a bout at '47? If Mosley's whole plan for coming back to the welterweight division was to fight Mayweather, why would he be training to make '54? Berto pulled out early January, Mosley's already on target for '47, Mayweather was aiming for a welterweight bout because he gave in to what Pacquiao wanted, but Pacquiao ran..... so if two fighters are aiming for '47 at this point, and one of them wanted to come back to '47 regardless, doesn't it make sense to make it a welterweight bout? Brick, doesn't that make sense to you? I would like to believe that you do have a little common sense.



"How can he make a concession for fighting at 147 when he didnt have plans to fight at 154 in the first place."

Freddie Roach, Pacquiao's own trainer, made the statement that Mayweather wanted the fight at '54. Brick, please absorb the fact.


"If he requested to have the testing be done at 14 days and felt safe about that cutoff, then why backtrack and go back to zero"

Again, these are your stances and they're ignorant at best. Manny Jim Jones Pacquiao fans do not remember Floyd stating that if Pacquiao didn't accept the 14 day cutoff in January, then that deal will not be available in the future. Naturally, Pacquiao said no. Mayweather-Mosley agreed to full random testing and went through with it. It's been done successfully now, neither competitor complained about it, and it was made clear that full random testing is the deal on the table, take it or leave it. Look at Pacquiao now, fighting a proven cheater, admitting that he lied by not agreeing to random testing, and again, bailing on the fight with Mayweather.



"Its called negotiations, Pac is within his rights to say no considering that a medical program was never instituted as a contract point before."

Pacquiao may negotiate, but he's terrible at compromising. You say Pac's within his rights to say no, well, the NSAC has never constituted at $10 million penalty ever since that sport was first sanctioned by them. It would be fair to say that Mayweather would be within his rights to say no to that by your logic right? But he still said "yes, lets fight."



"Do I even need to dispute this. Your analogy is as lame as your argument. The problem with that analogy was Pac has never been tested positive before so he was never a steroid user"

I'm guessing you're 12, so you've never had a job before. An employee could have never smoked Marijuana or even been in the presence of Marijuana their whole life, but in the job place, random testing occurs often because unlike that particular employee, other employees have. Pacquiao may have never taken any substance or been in the presence of substances his entire life, but there' a list of boxers that have. It also doesn't help to have a trainer and a conditioning coach that have been linked to steroids in the past.

"WTF, the penalty clause purpose is not whether he ever came above at 147 or not."

It deems illogical to throw out a $10 million penalty to someone who has never failed making weight at the '47 lb. limit. It was a farce that failed miserably by team Pacquiao and it was their last chance to try and blame the fight not happening on Mayweather and because Mayweather accepted that stipulation, they started trying to dictate the dates of random testing which in turn made themselves look worse.




"The negotiations happened in December..."

Actually, you're wrong. If you actually looked at the date of the source I provided where Arum states that there are "open talks between Pacquiao and foreman," Roach also is quoted as saying this is because negotiations have "stalled with Mayweather," and guess what, that article was printed Dec. 1st, 2009. That means negotiating started before December. Chronology is great right!

[PACnPBFsuck]

"yes both Clottey and Mosley were bail out fights for the failed negotiations"

And that's what I'm talking about, you weren't labeling Clottey a bail out fight because you ride Pacquiao so hard. When you call someone a bail out fight, you're meaning to bring down the opponents value. Pacquiao's fight with Clottey was a bail out, literally. They had no answer for random testing, and went into a tail spin trying to find a way out and someone to fill that March 13th spot. Mayweather didn't have a bail out plan, his plan was Manny Pacquiao March 13th. Then the boxing world and Pac fans like yourself, salivated at the fact that Berto pulling out of the Mosley fight and all of a sudden it was, "what excuse this time Floyd?" and "duck Mosley this, duck Mosley that." How is someone a supposed "bail out fight" when there's a general consensus that they're feared???

"What makes Pac so different with Mosley when both were the top WW's at that point of their careers. Why does he wanna fight Pac at 154, and Mosley at 147?"

Mosley and Berto signed to fight each other at the '47 lb. weight limit Nov. 14th. The real top welters that is since Mosley held the WBA strap and Berto the WBC. So how is Mayweather going to fight Mosley at '54? Yet Pacquiao is in talks at fighting at '54 the same time negotiations with Mayweather stall. Riddle me that, go ahead....

So if Mayweather agrees to Pacquiao's terms of fighting at '47 with 8 oz. don't you think he's already going to be prepping for a bout at '47? If Mosley's whole plan for coming back to the welterweight division was to fight Mayweather, why would he be training to make '54? Berto pulled out early January, Mosley's already on target for '47, Mayweather was aiming for a welterweight bout because he gave in to what Pacquiao wanted, but Pacquiao ran..... so if two fighters are aiming for '47 at this point, and one of them wanted to come back to '47 regardless, doesn't it make sense to make it a welterweight bout? Brick, doesn't that make sense to you? I would like to believe that you do have a little common sense.



"How can he make a concession for fighting at 147 when he didnt have plans to fight at 154 in the first place."

Freddie Roach, Pacquiao's own trainer, made the statement that Mayweather wanted the fight at '54. Brick, please absorb the fact.


"If he requested to have the testing be done at 14 days and felt safe about that cutoff, then why backtrack and go back to zero"

Again, these are your stances and they're ignorant at best. Manny Jim Jones Pacquiao fans do not remember Floyd stating that if Pacquiao didn't accept the 14 day cutoff in January, then that deal will not be available in the future. Naturally, Pacquiao said no. Mayweather-Mosley agreed to full random testing and went through with it. It's been done successfully now, neither competitor complained about it, and it was made clear that full random testing is the deal on the table, take it or leave it. Look at Pacquiao now, fighting a proven cheater, admitting that he lied by not agreeing to random testing, and again, bailing on the fight with Mayweather.



"Its called negotiations, Pac is within his rights to say no considering that a medical program was never instituted as a contract point before."

Pacquiao may negotiate, but he's terrible at compromising. You say Pac's within his rights to say no, well, the NSAC has never constituted at $10 million penalty ever since that sport was first sanctioned by them. It would be fair to say that Mayweather would be within his rights to say no to that by your logic right? But he still said "yes, lets fight."



"Do I even need to dispute this. Your analogy is as lame as your argument. The problem with that analogy was Pac has never been tested positive before so he was never a steroid user"

I'm guessing you're 12, so you've never had a job before. An employee could have never smoked Marijuana or even been in the presence of Marijuana their whole life, but in the job place, random testing occurs often because unlike that particular employee, other employees have. Pacquiao may have never taken any substance or been in the presence of substances his entire life, but there' a list of boxers that have. It also doesn't help to have a trainer and a conditioning coach that have been linked to steroids in the past.

"WTF, the penalty clause purpose is not whether he ever came above at 147 or not."

It deems illogical to throw out a $10 million penalty to someone who has never failed making weight at the '47 lb. limit. It was a farce that failed miserably by team Pacquiao and it was their last chance to try and blame the fight not happening on Mayweather and because Mayweather accepted that stipulation, they started trying to dictate the dates of random testing which in turn made themselves look worse.




"The negotiations happened in December..."

Actually, you're wrong. If you actually looked at the date of the source I provided where Arum states that there are "open talks between Pacquiao and foreman," Roach also is quoted as saying this is because negotiations have "stalled with Mayweather," and guess what, that article was printed Dec. 1st, 2009. That means negotiating started before December. Chronology is great right!

Damn dude, have you slept yet?

[deejd]

So try again *****...

How many times do I have to tell you that Roach statements differ from interview to interview. He would say one thing now, and then another thing later. The same way as Floyd Sr. and Roger.. The fact that the fight didnt happen should have already given you an hint..And here is news for you, Roach influence as far as choice of Pac's next fights has long been dwindled since his win against Dela Hoya..That final say is now being decided by Arum and Pac's managers, and Pac himself.

How can there be an "open talks" when Arum was only talking to one party.. Arum as a middleman needed to talk to both camps in order to even begin the process of negotiation. If Pac's camp says no from the beginning then what the hell do they need to talk about..

You are an idiot. Pac is taking catchweight fights in 2009 because he had only one fight at 147 at that time. At that was against Dela Hoya who I am sure you agree was dehydrated and shot. He was still unproven at 147 which is the reason why the catchweights are there.

When he fought Hatton, there was no catchweight because they were comfortable that Pac can fight against the elites at Jr. WWs.

In late 2008 and mid-2009 no one would even have thought that he stands a chance against Cotto, Margarito, Mosley and any of the elite WW's even after beating Dela Hoya. In fact, they were already looking at going down to 140.

So how does he manipulate out of fights with Mosley and Cotto when Pac was not even a legit WW fighter at that time..He became a legit WW to the eyes of many and of his handlers after he KO'd Cotto...

If Pac starts demanding catchweights for a WW fight now then you can criticize him all you want.. Simply because he is now a legit WW fighter.

So try again *****...






I re-posted a response of yours because I thought maybe if you read it from another name, you'd realize how ignorant your points are. I've taken the liberty to highlight the various fallacies in your post.

[deejd]

Damn dude, have you slept yet?

HAHAHAHHAHA, a little. I've been awake catching these sporting events, making sure my bets paid out.

[deejd]

How many times do I have to tell you that Roach statements differ from interview to interview. He would say one thing now, and then another thing later. The same way as Floyd Sr. and Roger.. The fact that the fight didnt happen should have already given you an hint..And here is news for you, Roach influence as far as choice of Pac's next fights has long been dwindled since his win against Dela Hoya..That final say is now being decided by Arum and Pac's managers, and Pac himself.

How can there be an "open talks" when Arum was only talking to one party.. Arum as a middleman needed to talk to both camps in order to even begin the process of negotiation. If Pac's camp says no from the beginning then what the hell do they need to talk about..

You are an idiot. Pac is taking catchweight fights in 2009 because he had only one fight at 147 at that time. At that was against Dela Hoya who I am sure you agree was dehydrated and shot. He was still unproven at 147 which is the reason why the catchweights are there.

When he fought Hatton, there was no catchweight because they were comfortable that Pac can fight against the elites at Jr. WWs.

In late 2008 and mid-2009 no one would even have thought that he stands a chance against Cotto, Margarito, Mosley and any of the elite WW's even after beating Dela Hoya. In fact, they were already looking at going down to 140.

So how does he manipulate out of fights with Mosley and Cotto when Pac was not even a legit WW fighter at that time..He became a legit WW to the eyes of many and of his handlers after he KO'd Cotto...

If Pac starts demanding catchweights for a WW fight now then you can criticize him all you want.. Simply because he is now a legit WW fighter.

So try again *****...

So in your words, Roach is a liar that contradicts himself on a regular basis and name drops as heavy as Arum does but has no influence on who Pacquiao fights next. This is coming from a loyal Pacquiao fan.

What have Floyd Sr and Roger said that contradicts itself. I still remember at the beginning of the Corrales fight, Sr. from ringside shouted to Jr. that he needed to "keep doing what you're doing, and in the 7th, 8th, 9th, he'll be ready to go." Sure enough, the knockdowns started happening in the 7th and midway through the 10th, the fight was stopped. I remember Roger stating that if Hatton didn't beat Pacquiao, he should pour gasoline on his gloves, throw them in the trash, and burn 'em. Hatton's yet to fight again. They've all stood by testing since the Hatton fight. What's contradictory?

Arum say "open talks" were happening between Pacquiao and, keyword and, Foreman. You calling Arum a liar? If that's the case, you say negotiations never went on between Pacquiao and Foreman, Arum lying? Mayweather's never had negotiations with Arum recently, you saying Arum's a liar because he made all these agreeing to the tests statements and creating a countdown clock?

Last time I checked, Henry Armstrong didn't prove he was great by fighting at catchweights and beating malnutrition corpses. Nor did he try to negotiate them into giving him in advantage. Fight at the limit or go back to the sandbox.

Now I'm really thinking you're delusional. Nobody thought he stood a chance against Cotto? Stop saying Margarito, they weren't trying to make that bout in 2008 or 2009. Cotto was the 3 to 1 underdog, so who is nobody?

How does a fighter become a legit welterweight when they don't fight the champion at that limit? I honestly believe Pacquiao would have beaten Cotto at '47, but what avid boxing fans don't understand, is why did they get Cotto instead of Mosley.

You really are that coarse in the head to not see how Pacquiao manipulates weight? I just broke down how they suckered Cotto into fighting at a weight he didn't want to fight at. I just broke down how Mosley gave in to the weight and called their bluff by personally paying a visit to Roach (who mentioned the catchweights). Mosley even stated he'd go to '40, where you even claim they wanted Pac to go (even though that isn't true as well), and Roach still acted like Mosley didn't exist. If they can't manipulate you in the weight game, then they turn their cheek, simple, Brick.

How about I criticize Pac for fighting for another title in another weight division that isn't taking place at that weight limit but four lbs. under against a proven cheat? How's about you wake up, and realize that this fraud is duping you by breaking rules set by the commission, sounds alright to you?

I'm not trying to bash your guy Pacquiao, but he's been s***ing on himself ever since he let a group of snakes influence his being. Why do you think Mayweather left Arum, Brick. If you ask me, Pacquiao cemented himself before '30, His legacy was intact at '22 and '26. What he's doing now has to be questioned and his whole career has taken a su****ious face lift from '35 up. To not consider that something could be going on would be childish.

[mikemurni]

Its very sneaky of you to nitpick my words so that my opinion would be taken out of context and appear to have a different meaning while at the same time ignoring the other points that I felt that you still haven’t answered.


And that's what I'm talking about, you weren't labeling Clottey a bail out fight because you ride Pacquiao so hard. When you call someone a bail out fight, you're meaning to bring down the opponents value. Pacquiao's fight with Clottey was a bail out, literally. They had no answer for random testing, and went into a tail spin trying to find a way out and someone to fill that March 13th spot. Mayweather didn't have a bail out plan, his plan was Manny Pacquiao March 13th. Then the boxing world and Pac fans like yourself, salivated at the fact that Berto pulling out of the Mosley fight and all of a sudden it was, "what excuse this time Floyd?" and "duck Mosley this, duck Mosley that." How is someone a supposed "bail out fight" when there's a general consensus that they're feared???

The bail-out plan in my view would have been fights other than Pac-Mayweather because it was a step down for that fight. I guess you can say that it was their back-up plan. Obviously the backup plan for Mayweather (incidental or not) is way better compared to Pac.

If you want to use bail-out in context as another great fight then you can say that Pac/Clottey being just a good one is bail-out while Floyd/Mosley is not.. If this is the case I am not goin to dispute this. I am goin’ to give you that.

Mosley and Berto signed to fight each other at the '47 lb. weight limit Nov. 14th. The real top welters that is since Mosley held the WBA strap and Berto the WBC. So how is Mayweather going to fight Mosley at '54? Yet Pacquiao is in talks at fighting at '54 the same time negotiations with Mayweather stall. Riddle me that, go ahead....

So if Mayweather agrees to Pacquiao's terms of fighting at '47 with 8 oz. don't you think he's already going to be prepping for a bout at '47? If Mosley's whole plan for coming back to the welterweight division was to fight Mayweather, why would he be training to make '54? Berto pulled out early January, Mosley's already on target for '47, Mayweather was aiming for a welterweight bout because he gave in to what Pacquiao wanted, but Pacquiao ran..... so if two fighters are aiming for '47 at this point, and one of them wanted to come back to '47 regardless, doesn't it make sense to make it a welterweight bout? Brick, doesn't that make sense to you? I would like to believe that you do have a little common sense.

Pac did not want to fight at 154 against any fighter during the course of the negotiation. He did not want to fight before the negotiation, and he certainly didn’t want to fight after.
Pac and his management team already made that decision even before the negotiation started. So right there, your argument is already wide of the mark.

Then you say that Mayweather was prepping for a bout at 147. How can he be prepping when the contract hasn’t even been signed and training camp has not even started for both fighters? What does he need to prep for?

Then you say that Mosley plan in coming back to WW was to fight Mayweather. Well it’s not up to Mosley. If Floyd wanted to fight at 154 like you said he did, then Mosley irregardless of his status at 147 would have had no choice but to concede since he does not hold the cards in the negotiations.

So right there moron, your whole point dissected and disputed. I didn’t quote you in one line, I made sure all the points in that paragraph was answered.

Freddie Roach, Pacquiao's own trainer, made the statement that Mayweather wanted the fight at '54. Brick, please absorb the fact.

This one is funny because you keep rehashing the same quotes from Roach, when you damn well know that Roach consistency in interviews is never reliable.

Again, these are your stances and they're ignorant at best. Manny Jim Jones Pacquiao fans do not remember Floyd stating that if Pacquiao didn't accept the 14 day cutoff in January, then that deal will not be available in the future. Naturally, Pacquiao said no. Mayweather-Mosley agreed to full random testing and went through with it. It's been done successfully now, neither competitor complained about it, and it was made clear that full random testing is the deal on the table, take it or leave it. Look at Pacquiao now, fighting a proven cheater, admitting that he lied by not agreeing to random testing, and again, bailing on the fight with Mayweather.

So what!! This just means that Mosley, who was never in a position to bargain, and was force to agree to the blood testing. Floyd can demand that to Mosley but that doesn’t mean he can force feed that to Pac. Pac can negotiate on equal terms with Floyd. Floyd cannot force Pac to accept an all or nothing demand as if he was negotiating with some fighter who had limited options.

But then again, you missed my argument. If Floyd can move the goal post from 0 to 14 and back to 0 again, then that means his advocacy was never real to begin with, and his whole purpose of his demand was just geared to playing with Pac’s head. If their position was zero then they should have stuck with zero throughout the first and second negotiations.

The purpose of this demand is to prove that both fighters are clean, right? So if Floyd believe that you can be proven clean in the 14 days cutoff in ‘09, then why can’t you be proven clean with 7 days cutoff in ’10. Does that even makes sense to you??

Pacquiao may negotiate, but he's terrible at compromising. You say Pac's within his rights to say no, well, the NSAC has never constituted at $10 million penalty ever since that sport was first sanctioned by them. It would be fair to say that Mayweather would be within his rights to say no to that by your logic right? But he still said "yes, lets fight."

Well no fighter other than Floyd bailed their way out of a contract stipulation of a mega-fight before. So now we are back to the same argument of comparing the drug testing and the penalty clause.

Meanwhile Pac was never a steroid user so what gave Floyd the right to demand medical program of his choice?

If he wanted to clean up the sport then he could have presented his case to the NSAC and make it standard for all fighters.

I'm guessing you're 12, so you've never had a job before. An employee could have never smoked Marijuana or even been in the presence of Marijuana their whole life, but in the job place, random testing occurs often because unlike that particular employee, other employees have. Pacquiao may have never taken any substance or been in the presence of substances his entire life, but there' a list of boxers that have. It also doesn't help to have a trainer and a conditioning coach that have been linked to steroids in the past.

So if you follow that analogy, the NSAC(employer) should institute random blood testing to all fighters (employees). The problem is only two employees (Pac and Floyd) are being subjected to the program instead of all.

It deems illogical to throw out a $10 million penalty to someone who has never failed making weight at the '47 lb. limit. It was a farce that failed miserably by team Pacquiao and it was their last chance to try and blame the fight not happening on Mayweather and because Mayweather accepted that stipulation, they started trying to dictate the dates of random testing which in turn made themselves look worse.

A rehashed argument deserved a repetitive response..

The penalty clause purpose is not whether he would come above at 147 or not. The penalty clause is there because Pac's team did not want to be on the receiving end of Floyd's ability to bail out from a provision of an agreement of a signed contract. And they have the right to feel this way for good reasons because it did happen. The high penalty amount was to make sure that Floyd will honor the agreement that he signed.

So how can it be a farce when the purpose of the penalty is to force Mayweather to not pull of the same **** that he did in his last fight (JMM-Pac).. So how the **** do you say it 'aint logical when its the most logical clause that they could throw out for the fight not unless you dont have common sense..

"The negotiations happened in December..."

Actually, you're wrong. If you actually looked at the date of the source I provided where Arum states that there are "open talks between Pacquiao and foreman," Roach also is quoted as saying this is because negotiations have "stalled with Mayweather," and guess what, that article was printed Dec. 1st, 2009. That means negotiating started before December. Chronology is great right!

Yeah that rights, ignore what the fighter said in November and instead use quotes from his promoter (made in December), whom by the way you consider as liar and a scumbag as reference for your argument.

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What a long winded pile of horse**** Mike Muppet !

[mikemurni]

So in your words, Roach is a liar that contradicts himself on a regular basis and name drops as heavy as Arum does but has no influence on who Pacquiao fights next. This is coming from a loyal Pacquiao fan.

What have Floyd Sr and Roger said that contradicts itself. I still remember at the beginning of the Corrales fight, Sr. from ringside shouted to Jr. that he needed to "keep doing what you're doing, and in the 7th, 8th, 9th, he'll be ready to go." Sure enough, the knockdowns started happening in the 7th and midway through the 10th, the fight was stopped. I remember Roger stating that if Hatton didn't beat Pacquiao, he should pour gasoline on his gloves, throw them in the trash, and burn 'em. Hatton's yet to fight again. They've all stood by testing since the Hatton fight. What's contradictory?

Arum say "open talks" were happening between Pacquiao and, keyword and, Foreman. You calling Arum a liar? If that's the case, you say negotiations never went on between Pacquiao and Foreman, Arum lying? Mayweather's never had negotiations with Arum recently, you saying Arum's a liar because he made all these agreeing to the tests statements and creating a countdown clock?

Last time I checked, Henry Armstrong didn't prove he was great by fighting at catchweights and beating malnutrition corpses. Nor did he try to negotiate them into giving him in advantage. Fight at the limit or go back to the sandbox.

Now I'm really thinking you're delusional. Nobody thought he stood a chance against Cotto? Stop saying Margarito, they weren't trying to make that bout in 2008 or 2009. Cotto was the 3 to 1 underdog, so who is nobody?

How does a fighter become a legit welterweight when they don't fight the champion at that limit? I honestly believe Pacquiao would have beaten Cotto at '47, but what avid boxing fans don't understand, is why did they get Cotto instead of Mosley.

You really are that coarse in the head to not see how Pacquiao manipulates weight? I just broke down how they suckered Cotto into fighting at a weight he didn't want to fight at. I just broke down how Mosley gave in to the weight and called their bluff by personally paying a visit to Roach (who mentioned the catchweights). Mosley even stated he'd go to '40, where you even claim they wanted Pac to go (even though that isn't true as well), and Roach still acted like Mosley didn't exist. If they can't manipulate you in the weight game, then they turn their cheek, simple, Brick.

How about I criticize Pac for fighting for another title in another weight division that isn't taking place at that weight limit but four lbs. under against a proven cheat? How's about you wake up, and realize that this fraud is duping you by breaking rules set by the commission, sounds alright to you?

I'm not trying to bash your guy Pacquiao, but he's been s***ing on himself ever since he let a group of snakes influence his being. Why do you think Mayweather left Arum, Brick. If you ask me, Pacquiao cemented himself before '30, His legacy was intact at '22 and '26. What he's doing now has to be questioned and his whole career has taken a su****ious face lift from '35 up. To not consider that something could be going on would be childish.

I can be a Pac fan without believing every thing that Roach says in an interview. I can be a Pac fan because I based my judgment on what Pac does in the ring and not outside. And the fact that he is not afraid to test his skills against the best fighters in his weight class and above it. I am sure you are dying to criticize that statement that I just made.. so bring it on, mofo…

You should just wack off on Floyd’s videos because that is what you are doing now… Are you ****in’ kidding me. You actually believe all the moronic, idiotic statement that spew from the Mayweathers’ mouth. They are the same people who said that Pac would get knocked out and toyed around in the ring by De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto. And then in another interview after those fights, they threw in every excuse that they can find for the these fighters. They were the same people who made statements about A-side meth, about fixed fights. Do you actually believe that ****? If you are goin’ to believe every statement that Roger and Sr. made, then Floyd would have fought 40 bums in his 14 year career.

Well Floyd called himself as a greater fighter than SRR.. Do you believe him? I never would compare any fighter of this era to the legends in the past. The fact that you just compared Armstrong with Pac already shows you how high you think of Pac and his accomplishments that he made at the higher weights. Pac was coming out of one fight at 140, one fight at 147, and one fight at 135.. so how the hell can he not be justified to ask for a catchweight against an elite fighter at WW. Considering that his last fight at that weight was against a dehydrated Dela Hoya.


The odds for the DLH-Pac fight open as a 2-1 in favor of Dela Hoya and this was when many were saying that DLH was goin to destroy Pac, the Morales-Pac 1st fight was 2-1 in favor of Pac.. Those odds are nothing more than to entice gamblers to bet for the house.

How the **** did they suckered Cotto to take the 145 catchweight when Cotto came in his last fight as 146 lbs. Cotto looked great goin in the fight and was actually trading blows in the first four rounds.

Cotto beat Mosley, moron. Plus how can Mosley at a dehydrated 143 be a better fight than non-dehydrated Cotto at 145. Would you have given Pac credit had he taken a 143 lb fight with Mosley. How can you do so if you couldn’t give Pac the credit against Cotto at 145?

I am glad that you are at least acknowledging Pac’s legacy and giving him credit to some of his victories. In these times of internet forums and haters and fanboys and nuthuggers and the Pac vs Floyd drug debate, and all that bull****, it's very easy to lose sight of cold hard achievements that are being made under our very noses.

Once Pacquiao has retired, and the internet goons are fighting each other about newer fighters, history will of course look very, very kindly on his achievements. But I think if even the most hate-filled bastard on this forum including you considers what he would have said in March 2008 to the prediction that Manny Pacquiao would win 22 or 23 rounds out of 24 against Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey, he would recognize that we are living in the era of a serious, serious ATG.

I gave Floyd credit too. I think his best fight was against Corales even though I felt Chico was dehydrated but I give Floyd full credit for that fight. Because there was nothing Chico would have done that Floyd couldn’t handle in that fight.