Judging by todays standards Floyd's win over Baldomir is totally legit.

[Bushbaby]

Fantastic thread Bushbaby this forum needs more like you.

I can't tell if ur for real or being sarcastic,but people should see the hypocracy of ****ting on Floyd all the while defending Pacman when he is doing the same thing!!2 title fights above 140 & they're both at catchweights & 1 is against a cheater who has no merit whatsoever at 154!!

[Ryannn]

Baldomir may have been easy pickings,I agree with that!!Now take a look at 154,where does Margarito fit in,where does Pacman??You absolutely can't be called the best if U don't fight the best,news flash,Margarito isn't the best at 154,U said it urself about fighting the best,now how does that sound now??

margarito is more of a threat to pac than baldo was to floyd. Fine, you don't think marg deserves a shot at pac, so do i, but atleast marg is a legit threat and the fight would be entertaining. Id rather pay attention on the fight itself than the politics behind it.

[Ryannn]

I can't tell if ur for real or being sarcastic,but people should see the hypocracy of ****ting on Floyd all the while defending Pacman when he is doing the same thing!!2 title fights above 140 & they're both at catchweights & 1 is against a cheater who has no merit whatsoever at 154!!

marg-pac should have been at 147. I don't give much importance to abc titles as much as you do so frankly, i don't give a ****. Its gonna be entertaining so im buying it.

[Bushbaby]

margarito is more of a threat to pac than baldo was to floyd. Fine, you don't think marg deserves a shot at pac, so do i, but atleast marg is a legit threat and the fight would be entertaining. Id rather pay attention on the fight itself than the politics behind it.

Only time will tell about Pacman-Margarito,it should be just a fight,but not for a title!!Margarito shouldn't be in a title fight against a Pacman at 154,or for a 154 title!!I know this fight shouldn't just simply be accepted as legit,by the very same people that criticize everything Floyd has done!!Pacman is fighting a cheating stablemate for a title neither has earned or deserved & that just pisses me off!!

[Bushbaby]

marg-pac should have been at 147. I don't give much importance to abc titles as much as you do so frankly, i don't give a ****. Its gonna be entertaining so im buying it.

But most Pacfans always stress that Pacman is fighter of the decade & top pfp!!Those are purely mythical monikers & absolutely doesn't apply to reality,is that ok??Why are the top 154 fighters left on the outside looking in,in their own division??If Pacman can't fight a real 154lber,then fight Margarito at welterweight,or right above it without doctored up catchweight titles involved!!

[ADP02]

Well,the Punisher was available,as was Martinez,the European cat undefeated wouldn't have turned that fight down,Angulo made his splash,I can go on,but every last 1 of these guys were available before Pacman chose his cheating stablemate!!

You can't put Manny's next opponent in the same sentence as Baldo for many reasons. Baldo against Floyd fight happened because he won 2 previous fights. If you just look at the names of his opponents it may appear an impressive feat but if you REALLY have a good look, it wasn't much.

- Gatti fought Baldo at 147 but Gatti was ready to retire, out of prime and fought at 147 because he couldn't make weight at 140 anymore..... but he wasn't big enough to beat the 147 guys. Gatti retired after his next fight (loss).
- Zab, in my opinion should have stayed at 140 too. Besides getting revenge on Spinks, he was not able to defeat good opponents at 147. Plus I think Zab was looking forward to the Floyd fight and took Baldo lightly. Zab did nothing in that fight against Baldo.
- Both Gatti and Zab had already lost to Floyd in a relatively easy way BEFORE Floyd fought Baldo.

Ask yourself, what did Baldo do before and after 2006? I say lose to decent opponents and win/lose to chumps.


- Margo was the guy before losing to Mosley in 2009. He defeated Cotto, Sergio Martinez, came back in the Williams fight to almost win but most importantly was always a feared opponent.

There are questions between Margo vs Manny and I agree but .....
- I see Manny taking this fight so he can get his LM title.
- Manny was ready to take on Floyd and Arum had Margo as PLAN B.
- Margo can actually win if Manny is not careful.
- Fighting Margo at LM is a stepping stone and nobody can say, why Margo on just his first fight at LM.
- Most importantly Manny's record shows that he doesn't avoid anyone, so fighting Margo does not bring the doubt compared to Floyd vs Baldo ....

Why?

because since 2005 at WW Floyd fought the following:
- Sharmba Mitchell (better days at 140)
- Zab Judah (better days at 140)
- Baldomir (ya right)
- Hatton (better days at 140)
- Marquez (better days at 130)
- Mosley (at 39 and didn't get a tune up fight as Floyd required after a long layoff and was tested for drugs)

Again, Di Bushbaby, this is Manny's first fight at LM. Being objective, fighting Margo is a stepping stone for Manny. If Manny looks good against Margo and can't get Floyd into the ring, I can see Manny taking on an Angulo or Martinez or Williams as his last fight before he retires.

Still, I can say the above comments about Manny possibly taking on an Angulo or Martinez and people would NOT laugh me out because we ALL know that Manny would take on that risk.

Objectively, Floyd has been softer than Manny in this area.

[Bushbaby]

You can't put Manny's next opponent in the same sentence as Baldo for many reasons. Baldo against Floyd fight happened because he won 2 previous fights. If you just look at the names of his opponents it may appear an impressive feat but if you REALLY have a good look, it wasn't much.

- Gatti fought Baldo at 147 but Gatti was ready to retire, out of prime and fought at 147 because he couldn't make weight at 140 anymore..... but he wasn't big enough to beat the 147 guys. Gatti retired after his next fight (loss).
- Zab, in my opinion should have stayed at 140 too. Besides getting revenge on Spinks, he was not able to defeat good opponents at 147. Plus I think Zab was looking forward to the Floyd fight and took Baldo lightly. Zab did nothing in that fight against Baldo.
- Both Gatti and Zab had already lost to Floyd in a relatively easy way BEFORE Floyd fought Baldo.

Ask yourself, what did Baldo do before and after 2006? I say lose to decent opponents and win/lose to chumps.


- Margo was the guy before losing to Mosley in 2009. He defeated Cotto, Sergio Martinez, came back in the Williams fight to almost win but most importantly was always a feared opponent.

There are questions between Margo vs Manny and I agree but .....
- I see Manny taking this fight so he can get his LM title.
- Manny was ready to take on Floyd and Arum had Margo as PLAN B.
- Margo can actually win if Manny is not careful.
- Fighting Margo at LM is a stepping stone and nobody can say, why Margo on just his first fight at LM.
- Most importantly Manny's record shows that he doesn't avoid anyone, so fighting Margo does not bring the doubt compared to Floyd vs Baldo ....

Why?

because since 2005 at WW Floyd fought the following:
- Sharmba Mitchell (better days at 140)
- Zab Judah (better days at 140)
- Baldomir (ya right)
- Hatton (better days at 140)
- Marquez (better days at 130)
- Mosley (at 39 and didn't get a tune up fight as Floyd required after a long layoff and was tested for drugs)

Again, Di Bushbaby, this is Manny's first fight at LM. Being objective, fighting Margo is a stepping stone for Manny. If Manny can't get Floyd into the ring, I can see Manny taking on an Angulo or Martinez or Williams as his last fight before he retires.

Still, I can say the above comments about Manny possibly taking on an Angulo or Martinez and people would NOT laugh me out because we ALL know that Manny would take on that risk.

Objectively, Floyd has been softer than Manny in this area.

This is all a fine & dandy display of why u believe that Pacman fighting Margarito as a stepping stone,is saying without realizing that ur saying That Pacman is still taking the easiest fight possible for a 154lb title!!This is the second catchweight title fight in 3 fights for Pacman!!

Pacman didn't fight Cotto at the welterweight limit,it was a catchweight,I was ok with that,but in his second fight since,he is in another title catchweight fight against an unranked,coming of a suspention cheater!!I think this is worse than Floyd fighting a highly ranked titlist at a true weightclass!!

[ADP02]

This is all a fine & dandy display of why u believe that Pacman fighting Margarito as a stepping stone,is saying without realizing that ur saying That Pacman is still taking the easiest fight possible for a 154lb title!!This is the second catchweight title fight in 3 fights for Pacman!!

Pacman didn't fight Cotto at the welterweight limit,it was a catchweight,I was ok with that,but in his second fight since,he is in another title catchweight fight against an unranked,coming of a suspention cheater!!I think this is worse than Floyd fighting a highly ranked titlist at a true weightclass!!

I have said this months ago about the catchweight too ..... Unranked, is pushing it and him getting a chance at the title is not Manny's doing. What you are saying is that Manny had to fight the best 154 on his first try at LM? That to is pushing it too. Like I already said, since Manny couldn't fight Floyd his next reward was to get the 154 title.... then if he wins in good fashion take on the other titlists. I think it is fair. Are you saying otherwise?

You can say what you will but I believe you are saying what you are saying because we now know that Margo cheated before and lost to Mosley the day he got caught.

The above can make one question his wins against Cotto, Sergio Martinez, come back rounds against Paul Williams, beating Clottey and I AGREE but he still won (see Mosley comment below) and was considered a feared man.

Still, I don't look at this fight like I would Floyd taking on Baldo and I have already stated why.

In some ways, Manny fighting Margo now is like Floyd fighting Mosley. Mosley beat Oscar and some others but he probably did it while on PEDs. Both Margo and Mosley got caught and both had to then go fight without using that extra advantage.

I was never a fan of Margo and much more impressed with Mosley but they both took the same path and are paying for it now.


......BUT to go down the barrel and mention Baldo ..... sorry but that is too far down in quality, if you ask me.

Like I said, I'm taking this fight with Margo as a stepping stone and a fighter that can actually beat Manny. So that in itself is enough to say, this is not the same as Floyd vs Baldo.

[Bushbaby]

I have said this months ago about the catchweight too ..... Unranked, is pushing it and him getting a chance at the title is not Manny's doing. What you are saying is that Manny had to fight the best 154 on his first try at LM? That to is pushing it too. Like I already said, since Manny couldn't fight Floyd his next reward was to get the 154 title.... then if he wins in good fashion take on the other titlists. I think it is fair. Are you saying otherwise?

You can say what you will but I believe you are saying what you are saying because we now know that Margo cheated before and lost to Mosley the day he got caught.

The above can make one question his wins against Cotto, Sergio Martinez, come back rounds against Paul Williams, beating Clottey and I AGREE but he still won (see Mosley comment below) and was considered a feared man.

Still, I don't look at this fight like I would Floyd taking on Baldo and I have already stated why.

In some ways, Manny fighting Margo now is like Floyd fighting Mosley. Mosley beat Oscar and some others but he probably did it while on PEDs. Both Margo and Mosley got caught and both had to then go fight without using that extra advantage.

I was never a fan of Margo and much more impressed with Mosley but they both took the same path and are paying for it now.


......BUT to go down the barrel and mention Baldo ..... sorry but that is too far down in quality, if you ask me.

Like I said, I'm taking this fight with Margo as a stepping stone and a fighter that can actually beat Manny. So that in itself is enough to say, this is not the same as Floyd vs Baldo.

I don't even like Floyd,but the fact is that he did the least amount necessary by taking on Baldomir for his title,which is exactly what Pacman is doing now!!Regardless of what U or anyone says Margarito has,or is nothing at 154,Baldomir was something at 147!!I wouldn't even bring up the Margarito Martinez fight because Martinez was young & inexperienced when that fight took place & I would bet all my points & my membership right now that Martinez embarasses Margarito should they fight again!!

[ADP02]

I don't even like Floyd,but the fact is that he did the least amount necessary by taking on Baldomir for his title,which is exactly what Pacman is doing now!!Regardless of what U or anyone says Margarito has,or is nothing at 154,Baldomir was something at 147!!I wouldn't even bring up the Margarito Martinez fight because Martinez was young & inexperienced when that fight took place & I would bet all my points & my membership right now that Martinez embarasses Margarito should they fight again!!

Di Bushbaby, I just responded to you in another thread where you also state that Margo can beat Manny and can do things that Cotto and Clottey couldn't.

See, this is why I can NEVER EVER be convinced that Baldo is in that class as he wasn't even that good when he won the title. I explained why but nothing but I mean nothing can convince me that Baldo is in the same league. Plus, as I stated before, Floyd goes down that route too many times to convince me otherwise. Get it?

Back to Margo beating Sergio.... I have stated this in prior posts that Sergio was younger BUT if you really look at the fight it will show you something about Margo that is very interesting. Margo had a fast undefeated Sergio in front of him who also had decent movement. Sergio lacked the experience and power that he has now. This fight can resemble the fight with Manny if Manny can't give Margo respect. Sergio sometimes would hit Margo with 2-3 shots but Margo was OK because he was able to get 1-2 of his own and hurt Sergio. Sergio even got away after throwing a punch similar to Manny throws but Margo would occasionally hit Sergio with effective punches.