Judging by todays standards Floyd's win over Baldomir is totally legit.

[Ray*]

bullshit...

lets take pac vs. may's ww career...

the fact it can be argued that pac has a better ww career than floyd shows how lacking floyd's competition is at this weight class. this is a guy who is a welterweight since 05 vs. a guy who was fighting at 135 a couple of years ago.

there is no damn double standard when it comes to floyd as you guys always seem to spurt out in these arguments.

the guy *****ed out on competition at his weight, plain and simple.

Mayweather is held to a higer standard period, This has nothing to do with Welterweight or whatnot, I dont just any boxer on just a weight class i judge them on their whole career.

And the simple fact still is Mayweather is held to a higher standard, His positives gets sidetracked and turn into negatives and his negatives gets highlighted, It doesnt happen to any other boxer in this era apart from Mayweather...Period!

[Ryannn]

Mayweather is held to a higer standard period, This has nothing to do with Welterweight or whatnot, I dont just any boxer on just a weight class i judge them on their whole career.

And the simple fact still is Mayweather is held to a higher standard, His positives gets sidetracked and turn into negatives and his negatives gets highlighted, It doesnt happen to any other boxer in this era apart from Mayweather...Period!

all elite fighters are held to a higher standard...

so the best way to go about when judging fighters is compare them to other elite fighters...

you guys are acting like people are asking floyd to go up to heavyweight and unify the titles. floyd's critics want him to face legit threats from his own weightclass.

mosley as i said was a good start, but then he went on another fake-ass retirement.

i put the comparison of pac vs. may at welterweight for you guys to have a gauge on how lacking floyd's competetion is.

[Ray*]

all elite fighters are held to a higher standard...

so the best way to go about when judging fighters is compare them to other elite fighters...

you guys are acting like people are asking floyd to go up to heavyweight and unify the titles. floyd's critics want him to face legit threats from his own weightclass.

mosley as i said was a good start, but then he went on another fake-ass retirement.

i put the comparison of pac vs. may at welterweight for you guys to have a gauge on how lacking floyd's competetion is.

I dont know what you meant by you guys but i would just leave that for you to explain if you feel like it, I dont care what Mayweather does or doesnt am merely looking at him and all the boxers who are around now and the fact remains he (Mayweather) gets held to a different higher standard than any other boxer in our era.

That my belief and opinion not your or anyone else, The easier thing to do to a boxer is picked apart their resume and make it look weak and i can do that to the top 10 in boxing right now.

[IronDanHamza]

bullshit...

lets take pac vs. may's ww career...

the fact it can be argued that pac has a better ww career than floyd shows how lacking floyd's competition is at this weight class. this is a guy who is a welterweight since 05 vs. a guy who was fighting at 135 a couple of years ago.

there is no damn double standard when it comes to floyd as you guys always seem to spurt out in these arguments.

the guy *****ed out on competition at his weight, plain and simple.

The double standard is as clear as day, literally undeniable double standard. Thats the whole reason this thread is 17 pages, it will last forever.

[Ryannn]

I dont know what you meant by you guys but i would just leave that for you to explain if you feel like it, I dont care what Mayweather does or doesnt am merely looking at him and all the boxers who are around now and the fact remains he (Mayweather) gets held to a different higher standard than any other boxer in our era.

That my belief and opinion not your or anyone else, The easier thing to do to a boxer is picked apart their resume and make it look weak and i can do that to the top 10 in boxing right now.

looks like you don't want to give any reason for your opinion, but whatever...

[Ryannn]

The double standard is as clear as day, literally undeniable double standard. Thats the whole reason this thread is 17 pages, it will last forever.

explain this so called double standard...

again, every elite fighter is held to a higher standard than the rest for obvious reasons. that's why comparing elite fighters with other elite fighters is the best way to judge that fighter.

comparing pac's ww run and floyd's ww run shows how lacking floyd competition is. some people can make a case that pac's is better. the fact that its arguable proves my point.

[TRAV1$]

A tough fight isn't the point of the tread though!!The point of the tread is that when Floyd beat Baldomir he beat a real & true lineal titlist,but he gets flak for the win!!When & if Pacman beats Margarito,it'll be for a vacant title against a cheater(proven against Mosley),at a catchweight for a vacant title,if Pacman gets credit for that,then Floyd must get credit for Baldomir & fully!!

I give up trying to explain
This

titles don't mean you have credibility. everyone knew baldomir was a journeyman bum. as for the pac vs margarito fight being for a title that is a complete joke but as i said titles don't mean anything. you shouldn't pay attention to any of that abc belt nonsense cause every fight could be for one of their flimsy belts. they are trash.

pac vs margarito isn't the best fight but it's a fight between 2 good fighters. floyd vs baldomir was a fight between 1 good fighter and a bum who happened to have some titles. would you be happy if pac fought k9 bundrage for a title belt? margarito is a much better fighter than that guy so that just proves how little belts mean.

[Bushbaby]

I think the criticims stems from the fact that Floyd chose Baldomir over Cotto and Margarito.

Neither Cotto or Margarito looked twice, let alone once at Baldomir. No doubt it was a good win for Floyd but it wasn't worthy of high praise or anything, simply because there were far bigger fights to be made with Cotto or Margarito. At the time you would have never thought Floyd would have ducked them both for the remainder of his and their careers.

Not tryin to discredit Baldomir's name, it's just that was a easy pick-apart fight for Floyd that should have been used as a step up the food chain. But it wasn't. He just beat Baldomir and ran from the best.

You can't be called the best if you never fight the best imo.

Baldomir may have been easy pickings,I agree with that!!Now take a look at 154,where does Margarito fit in,where does Pacman??You absolutely can't be called the best if U don't fight the best,news flash,Margarito isn't the best at 154,U said it urself about fighting the best,now how does that sound now??

[TRAV1$]

Baldomir may have been easy pickings,I agree with that!!Now take a look at 154,where does Margarito fit in,where does Pacman??You absolutely can't be called the best if U don't fight the best,news flash,Margarito isn't the best at 154,U said it urself about fighting the best,now how does that sound now??

Who would you like to see Pac fight at 154?
Don't forget to consider Manny is on his way out of boxing, so he's interested in making the most money possible and having the biggest name on his resume.

[Bushbaby]

The double standard is as clear as day, literally undeniable double standard. Thats the whole reason this thread is 17 pages, it will last forever.

It is as clear as day,but no Pacman supporter seems willing to admit it!!They constantly talk about Floyd not fighting the best,but it's ok for Pacman to claim a 154lb title by not fighting a 154lb elite,but by fighting Margarito who just came off suspention for being caught with loaded gloves right before Mosley shattered his indestructible image!!Margarito is no where near to being the best at 154,no where near it!!Don't criticize Floyd for fighting a lineal titlist in his weightclass,but praise Pacman for fighting a 154lb cheating nobody!!Why didn't Pacman fight the best at 154,why doesn't he have to & why must everyone else fight the best except him??