You know when Roy Jones fought all those bums....

[Toney616]

I think Nunn was most likely past prime in 97, I wouldn't debate that but he got some wins.

Nunn was on the slide by the Toney fight, he was definitely passed prime by the time of the Cordoba fight

[Toney616]

As unreasonable as Roy was at the negotiation table, at least we know he'd have never asked for Olympic Style drug testing....

ice cold dude

[Toney616]

He would have been stripped of his title if he didn't fight Frazier.

That's not true, even Suliman said he wasn't pressuring Jones to fight Frazier.

[THE REED]

That's not true, even Suliman said he wasn't pressuring Jones to fight Frazier.

Sure thing...

He was the mandatory challenger to his title.

That's all there is to it.

[IMDAZED]

That's not true, even Suliman said he wasn't pressuring Jones to fight Frazier.

Suliaman loves him some Roy. But Frazier was most definitely the mandatory.

[Toney616]

Sure thing...

He was the mandatory challenger to his title.

That's all there is to it.

It doesnt work like that.
As a champion, if you don't think your mando is up to par, you have the right to demand that he face your no 2 in an elimination contest. Jones would do it for all the WRONG reasons when Tarver became his mando in 2000.

That is why I don't have much time for Calzaghe, Jones and Hopkins. Who defended their belts against guys they didn't have to face. Ill get you a link and hopefully ill even track down that suliman quote as well

[IMDAZED]

It doesnt work like that.
As a champion, if you don't think your mando is up to par, you have the right to demand that he face your no 2 in an elimination contest. Jones would do it for all the WRONG reasons when Tarver became his mando in 2000.

That is why I don't have much time for Calzaghe, Jones and Hopkins. Who defended their belts against guys they didn't have to face. Ill get you a link and hopefully ill even track down that suliman quote as well

There wasn't anyone else for Jones to fight. Frazier was the mandatory and actually the #2 ranked guy. Forgot who #1 was but that tells you everything. Also, you sure are right about Tarver. That was pretty bad. One could argue Jones did that to fulfill his other mandatory and push the IBF one to a later date. To his credit, he did fight the winner. But personally, I thought Tarver was gonna be a problem and that Jones had his own motivations for petitioning the IBF.

[THE REED]

It doesnt work like that.
As a champion, if you don't think your mando is up to par, you have the right to demand that he face your no 2 in an elimination contest. Jones would do it for all the WRONG reasons when Tarver became his mando in 2000.

That is why I don't have much time for Calzaghe, Jones and Hopkins. Who defended their belts against guys they didn't have to face. Ill get you a link and hopefully ill even track down that suliman quote as well

It does work like that.

Weird... seems like you have all the time in the world for them.

And who doesn't have soft touches in their career? At the minimum he was still the mandatory challenger to his title... it's not like he was fishing for opponents who weren't even ranked just for a payday.

You can say what you want about Frazier, and he certainly may not be a world beater.. but he worked his way to be the mandatorty challenger for the title and Roy fought him.

Who doesn't fight some fights where the competition isn't staggering?
Honestly who doesn't?

[Toney616]

Suliaman loves him some Roy. But Frazier was most definitely the mandatory.

Yes he was, but what I'm saying is that Jones could of petitioned the WBC to force Frazier to take part in an elimination bout with his no 2. And then fight the winner of that contest like he did with Tarver and Harding

[T.McGrady]

For the record, RJJ was a great fighter, no denying that, but his resume leaves a lot to be desired.

Funny how we blame Floyd for wanting 60/40 vs. Pac, but none of that criticism is leveled at RJJ for wanting 60/40 vs. Hopkins for the rematch.

Two different situations. When jones demanded 60/40, he was 1-0 against hopkins, which means there was nothing to prove against a guy he already beat. Plus, jones was the undisputed LHW champion(hopkins was the undisputed MW champion) why would he risk moving down in weight and fight a MW? Jones said all hop has to do is becoming the number one contender LHW in order to make a 50/50.

May-Pac is another situation. Pacman is considered the best fighter in the world P4P, which means he don't have to go after anyone(floyd should be the one chasing pac not the other way). They both nearly weight the same, which make it alot easier to take this fight. Floyd is demanding too much with the whole"blood testing" crap. The bottom line is, Floyd is clearly ducking manny.