my fear on pac's skills when he fights pbf

[Carpe Diem]

pac is a very underrated counterpuncher.

the guy is more instinctual than technical.

getting into a shootout with him favors him.


that's why clottey got to last 12 while hatton and cotto couldn't.

clottey didn't punch at all , hatton and cotto traded with pac leaving themself open.

Floyd doesn't fight like any of those guys. And no, Floyd will not fight like Clottey. Clottey's defense is good, but he has no movement or counter-punching ability. As i say, Floyd keep himself in a position to get hit lesser than most Boxers. Floyd can hit you at will while moving backward.

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Since no one has ever beaten Floyd, all I can do to say that someone has had relative success against him is to point out fights where Floyd had to grind out a win. Cortez broke them up on the inside almost immediately every time they were up against the ropes.

I'm sure you saw the Green/Ward fight the other week and you saw what that ref allowed Ward to do for extended amounts of time. He leaned on the chest of Green smothering him solely on the inside the entire fight. Some refs allow that sort of thing and some don't, I'm not sure why some allow it and some don't but it is a reality.

My point is that Floyd's tougher fights have come against guys who have tried to more or less bully him around. I'm not sure if Pac can or will do that but to stand at arm's length and try to go tit for tat with him is not the to win but get shutout and basically fight Floyd's fight.

What's your point on the ref here? Hatton was losing just as bad on the inside as he did on the outside...

For the short times they were fighting on the inside, Hatton was getting murdered with bodyshots. He was unable to push him and wrestle him. He was not landing **** on the inside, except an occasional clubbing right hand which Mayweather was already rolling with when they landed. He also showed he did not really know how to deal with the various cuteness mayweather showed him, like elbows, forearms...

So how do you think that would have changed if they were allowed to be in a phone booth for longer?

It was not a very tough fight, more like one where mayweather actually had to fight rather than potshot.

[viperz007]

well, for a gut feeling i have...pac is really in to surprise everybody.

thats the thing most of pacquiaos recent opponent fails coz they keep saying JMM style works well for pacquiao or countering pacquiao like marquez did and watch wat happen to all of them?

they failed to realize that pacquiao already worked on that part LOL
and is a complete and still improving fighter, even pacquiao says that his style is different on whos enemy his facing..

if floyd go inside and trade with pac he'll lose
pac got faster combos than him, and power!
never compare pac to old gassed out, slow mosley when floyd fought him inside, youll be in for another surprise!
if floyd go defensive he'll end up like clottey...

floyds only choice is to run throughout 12 rounds, coz he couldnt adjust to pacs unpredictable weird angle fast combo punches!

and the only thing im seeing pac lose is if he will be foolish enough to chase floyd like all floyd opponent does PERIOD!

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thats the thing most of pacquiaos recent opponent fails coz they keep saying JMM style works well for pacquiao or countering pacquiao like marquez did and watch wat happen to all of them?

they failed to realize that pacquiao already worked on that part LOL
and is a complete and still improving fighter, even pacquiao says that his style is different on whos enemy his facing..

if floyd go inside and trade with pac he'll lose
pac got faster combos than him, and power!
never compare pac to old gassed out, slow mosley when floyd fought him inside, youll be in for another surprise!
if floyd go defensive he'll end up like clottey...

floyds only choice is to run throughout 12 rounds, coz he couldnt adjust an unpredictable weird angle fast combo punches!

and the only thing im seeing pac loose is if he will be foolish enough to chase floyd like all floyd opponent does PERIOD!

you don't know what inside means right?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

thats the thing most of pacquiaos recent opponent fails coz they keep saying JMM style works well for pacquiao or countering pacquiao like marquez did and watch wat happen to all of them?

they failed to realize that pacquiao already worked on that part LOL
and is a complete and still improving fighter, even pacquiao says that his style is different on whos enemy his facing..

if floyd go inside and trade with pac he'll lose
pac got faster combos than him, and power!
never compare pac to old gassed out, slow mosley when floyd fought him inside, youll be in for another surprise!
if floyd go defensive he'll end up like clottey...

floyds only choice is to run throughout 12 rounds, coz he couldnt adjust an unpredictable weird angle fast combo punches!

and the only thing im seeing pac loose is if he will be foolish enough to chase floyd like all floyd opponent does PERIOD!

Yes but STYLE doesn't = FIGHTER.

Meaning you can't compare Cotto to JMM because like I said all along, JMM is much better boxer.

You can have the right blue print but you also need the right tools to get it done. Cotto doesn't have the natural tools that JMM has and that's why he didn't compete with Pac.

JMM is great, Cotto is good, that's the difference.

Mayweather is also great and has ALL the tools to carry out that game plan if that's what he plans to do.

[Vito Corleone]

pac has the speed, power, stamina and style to beat floyd.
however, undeniably, floyd is a monster boxer who adjusts easily. what if floyd, brings the game inside. does pac has enough substance to fight inside and compete with floyd's great rhythm?

Why is it that everyone has the style to beat Floyd....but no one does?

Zab had the speed and athleticism and power to beat Floyd.

Hatton had the pressure style and work rate to beat Floyd.

Shane had the speed, size and power to beat Floyd.

Etc...

[Webber676]

I have the opposite fear, I'm afraid that it will be a performance like the one against Marquez, Mayweather will keep him at the end of his jab and outbox him for 12 rounds, If Marquez and Mosley couldn't walk through those jabs and straight right hands, i don't know if Pac will either.

Please dont ever again mention Marquez name in the same sentence as Pacquiao, Marquez is over, out, finito, you understand? the version of Pacquiao that fought Marquez is dead as well. Pacquiao would pulverize Marquez within 2 round rather than win by going to the score cards, hello Floyd! Mosley nerves and stamina issues are out of this world. This is major league with are talking here bruda.

I bed Pacquiao will walk right through Maywather's punches and take one or two to deliver 3 or 4.

[tredh]

thats the thing most of pacquiaos recent opponent fails coz they keep saying JMM style works well for pacquiao or countering pacquiao like marquez did and watch wat happen to all of them?

they failed to realize that pacquiao already worked on that part LOLand is a complete and still improving fighter, even pacquiao says that his style is different on whos enemy his facing..

if floyd go inside and trade with pac he'll lose
pac got faster combos than him, and power!
never compare pac to old gassed out, slow mosley when floyd fought him inside, youll be in for another surprise!
if floyd go defensive he'll end up like clottey...

floyds only choice is to run throughout 12 rounds, coz he couldnt adjust an unpredictable weird angle fast combo punches!

and the only thing im seeing pac loose is if he will be foolish enough to chase floyd like all floyd opponent does PERIOD!

Please tell me what fighter Manny has fought since the 2nd Marquez fight that is boxer/counter puncher. I find it funny you claim this when Freddie Roach even said that Marquez style will always give Manny problems.

Nobody can claim to have improved against a certain style when they have not faced the style that gave them problems. That just doesn't make any sense. A person will not now they have improved against that style until they face that style again to know for sure. To this day Manny has not faced that style again so I can't say that he has improved against that style and knows how to handle that style of fighter.

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Why is it that everyone has the style to beat Floyd....but no one does?

Zab had the speed and athleticism and power to beat Floyd.

Hatton had the pressure style and work rate to beat Floyd.

Shane had the speed, size and power to beat Floyd.

Etc...

when we say style can we include the intangibles, which pac brings inside the ring?

[viperz007]

Why is it that everyone has the style to beat Floyd....but no one does?

Zab had the speed and athleticism and power to beat Floyd.

Hatton had the pressure style and work rate to beat Floyd.

Shane had the speed, size and power to beat Floyd.

Etc...

MOST maybe all floyds opponent LACKS stamina

and hatton is nu defence except for his face as his sheild!

and all of them doesnt have the workrate as great as pacquiao
pacs train harder than all of them put together, has motivation to put ur face in the canvas... isnt it the reason why floyd suspect him to be on something and is better than him and want an even playing field?

weird angle+power+speed+footwork+stamina= great