my fear on pac's skills when he fights pbf

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  • Hi-Dro
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    #71
    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
    the thing is pac is not a pressure fighter though.

    he throws a lot but he's more a boxer/puncher recently.

    what bothers boxers the most is a pressure fighter who keeps his head at their chest and don't give them space.

    manny is not like that , though i'm hoping he trains to do that against floyd.
    Floyd is a "Master" boxer, and not just a boxer, thus I predict that won't stop his game. He doesn't solely rely on his outside skills, as he can break you down from the inside. This is truly a hard fight to pick. I can see Floyd making Pac look ******, and even stopping him, but I can also see Pac beating Floyd. However, I can't see Pac fighting on the inside like you suggest. That's not his style....
    Last edited by Hi-Dro; 07-02-2010, 11:13 AM.

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    • Carpe Diem
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      #72
      What we do know for sure is there will be more pressure on Manny come fight night..

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      • ADP02
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        #73
        Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
        Why do people keep saying this?

        Pac had the most trouble with JMM who is a great counter puncher. Pac like to come forward, Pac has trouble with counter punchers.

        What is Floyd?

        The ultimate counter puncher, with speed and power to add.


        I may be in the minority in this but I think Floyd beats Pac and even KO's him. Say what you will about Floyd but he's incredibly smart in the ring, doesn't take many chances and will capitalize on any mistakes you will make. He's also one of the best fighters since DLH to be able to change his tactics in the ring. He adjusts very well to what little success fighters may have against him early on.

        I think it's the other way around, I think Mayweather is a terrible match up with Pac because Pac likes to overwhelm his opponents with volume of shots. Mayweather fights GREAT going backwards and his counter punching style against pressure fighters for me means he could KO Pac.

        Marquez does NOT fight like Floyd. What Marquez did against Manny, he threw counter punches BUT when Manny threw Combos, often Marquez would counter with combos

        What Pac has to do and does well is to come into Floyd, throw combinations then step out..... and you stated, Floyd does take risks and if you look at Floyd's fights, he is not willing to counter someone who throws many combos. Floyd may throw a lazy punch to throw off his opponent a bit but that usually doesn't faze Manny.

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        • Whodini
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          #74
          If Floyd sign the contract..then will find out!!

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          • mpinkerton30
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            #75
            I have a feeling this will be like tarver jones 2, manny big bomb night-night floyd... floyd will be hesitant to throw alot of straight rights cuz that will leave that jaw exposed for manny uppercut. Its gonna happen.
            Last edited by mpinkerton30; 07-02-2010, 01:43 PM.

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            • pbftxrs316
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              #76
              people have to understand this about floyd-----he goes side to side, left to right, right to left, with his movement----he doesn't move one way, which is why he is always so hard to figure out----the only way floyd will ever be beat is if somebody out-times him, and i don't see that happening---shane out-timed floyd with that 2nd punch that wobbled floyd's legs, even though floyd didn't help by getting into punching range by trying to duck while throwing the left hook------shane landed that right hand just when floyd threw that left hook---that was a hell of a timed punch by shane----the same thing with zab and corley---you see, but that window is only open for a few minutes, maybe----because, the first punch shane landed on floyd came fast, and i always said, floyd would get caught by a punch that distracted his vision----shane threw the same punch floyd threw at oscar---jab to the body, quick right hand to the face-----and shane's punch wasn't so much about power---it was more timing-----

              manny has shown that he throws unorthodox punches, but sneaks in his little quick punches---he did that with jmm and cotto-----manny's best punch for floyd is his lead left hand, and he has to double it, you know why, coz floyd once again showed in the marquez fight, that he can hook off of lead punches---and even though manny is southpaw, floyd throws good right hooks also----floyd is one of the greatest hook thrown punchers in boxing history---his hooks are very sharp and well thrown----manny has to double and triple uup on everything-----he has to out-time floyd though in doing this, and has to have great balance and speed in doing this to land----coz manny is fast, but when he tries to time you, he looks sloppy and his balance is fishy, so it's not, with him anyway, just about timing---people say timing beats speed, but manny has to have both---and i just don't see him pulling it off---he gets hit too much----

              fighting a guy like floyd is very very hard because floyd is a fighter who knows his distance in the ring, which is why he can move around, make adjustments, no matter where he is in the ring----floyd is dangerous in any part of the ring-----he knows his distance---which is why he's smart when he throws punches---his balance is already sharp---even when he moves, his balance is sharp----we've seen him get his feet stepped on, lose his balance and still remain on his feet------zab hit floyd after stepping on his foot, and floyd lost his balance and his glove touched the canvas, but he never went down on his ass-----so, his balance in always in tact-----manny fights good coming forward, but he leaves his head exposed to much---which is why, floyd will land punches on manny's forehead, more than his chin and jaw----floyd will hit manny in his temple before anywhere else and that's why he will stop manny by round 8-----or earlier----

              people are fooled by manny's aggressiveness and explosiveness----manny gets hit by punches that you don't really think matters, and this is why clottey messed up manny's face---manny's scar tissue is terrible---floyd will open manny up, whether he lands a lead right, a counter left jab over manny's jab---floyd will aim for manny's forehead/temple region---i'm telling you----manny's eyebrows will be tampered with-----

              the only realistic chance manny has in this fight is out-timing floyd and hurting him----manny has the power to stop any fighter in or around his weight class, but manny has problems with slick fighters who counterpunch good---ask jmm---and that rematch is just 2 years removed----manny has shown improvement, yes, but we haven't seen him in with another counterpuncher since jmm, and floyd showed, just how much more dominant and better he is than jmm---not even close----manny, realistically can't win this fight imo, so he just better pray-----

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              • Jack Napier
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                #77
                I'm afraid Pac will kill poor Floyd

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                • AllEyesOpen
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                  #78
                  I don't know why people think Pacquiao can stop Mayweather, someone who's never been stopped, and only been wobbled a few times. I know Mayweather's defense makes it hard to land flush, but his chin is rock solid IMHO.

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                  • TOBYLEE1
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by pbftxrs316
                    people have to understand this about floyd-----he goes side to side, left to right, right to left, with his movement----he doesn't move one way, which is why he is always so hard to figure out----the only way floyd will ever be beat is if somebody out-times him, and i don't see that happening---shane out-timed floyd with that 2nd punch that wobbled floyd's legs, even though floyd didn't help by getting into punching range by trying to duck while throwing the left hook------shane landed that right hand just when floyd threw that left hook---that was a hell of a timed punch by shane----the same thing with zab and corley---you see, but that window is only open for a few minutes, maybe----because, the first punch shane landed on floyd came fast, and i always said, floyd would get caught by a punch that distracted his vision----shane threw the same punch floyd threw at oscar---jab to the body, quick right hand to the face-----and shane's punch wasn't so much about power---it was more timing-----

                    manny has shown that he throws unorthodox punches, but sneaks in his little quick punches---he did that with jmm and cotto-----manny's best punch for floyd is his lead left hand, and he has to double it, you know why, coz floyd once again showed in the marquez fight, that he can hook off of lead punches---and even though manny is southpaw, floyd throws good right hooks also----floyd is one of the greatest hook thrown punchers in boxing history---his hooks are very sharp and well thrown----manny has to double and triple uup on everything-----he has to out-time floyd though in doing this, and has to have great balance and speed in doing this to land----coz manny is fast, but when he tries to time you, he looks sloppy and his balance is fishy, so it's not, with him anyway, just about timing---people say timing beats speed, but manny has to have both---and i just don't see him pulling it off---he gets hit too much----

                    fighting a guy like floyd is very very hard because floyd is a fighter who knows his distance in the ring, which is why he can move around, make adjustments, no matter where he is in the ring----floyd is dangerous in any part of the ring-----he knows his distance---which is why he's smart when he throws punches---his balance is already sharp---even when he moves, his balance is sharp----we've seen him get his feet stepped on, lose his balance and still remain on his feet------zab hit floyd after stepping on his foot, and floyd lost his balance and his glove touched the canvas, but he never went down on his ass-----so, his balance in always in tact-----manny fights good coming forward, but he leaves his head exposed to much---which is why, floyd will land punches on manny's forehead, more than his chin and jaw----floyd will hit manny in his temple before anywhere else and that's why he will stop manny by round 8-----or earlier----

                    people are fooled by manny's aggressiveness and explosiveness----manny gets hit by punches that you don't really think matters, and this is why clottey messed up manny's face---manny's scar tissue is terrible---floyd will open manny up, whether he lands a lead right, a counter left jab over manny's jab---floyd will aim for manny's forehead/temple region---i'm telling you----manny's eyebrows will be tampered with-----

                    the only realistic chance manny has in this fight is out-timing floyd and hurting him----manny has the power to stop any fighter in or around his weight class, but manny has problems with slick fighters who counterpunch good---ask jmm---and that rematch is just 2 years removed----manny has shown improvement, yes, but we haven't seen him in with another counterpuncher since jmm, and floyd showed, just how much more dominant and better he is than jmm---not even close----manny, realistically can't win this fight imo, so he just better pray-----
                    Good post, Floyd is a master fighting in the distance he wants and one of his biggest assets is that he can adjust multiple times in a fight. Manny hands are fast enough and comming from odd angles that might be able to blind Floyd with a flurry. Manny does have to throw in in bunches. That is why this fight has to be made

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                    • jaestix1
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by P4P305
                      I think more pressure will be on Pacquiao. Not only does he have to win, but the media and General fans are expecting him to make the fight competitive and exciting. I think that's been Floyd's advantage over many other Boxers, he doesn't care nor does he want to put on an exciting show for the crowd, therefore he's more relax on fight night. The media are expecting alot more from Manny than just winning the fight, Floyd main focus will be on winning it by any means necessary.
                      excellent, excellent point man.

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