my fear on pac's skills when he fights pbf

[AllEyesOpen]

when did mosley fought margarito again?
how many months he didnt have a fight?
and how old is he?
not the same as the the prime mosley PERIOD..
even floyd said mosley is old!

but once again to all those people who try to compare pac to mosley
floyd hasnt fought anyone with this all put together TRUTH!

weird angle+power+speed+footwork+stamina= great

& I'm afraid that Pac hasn't faced as skilled a boxer/counterpuncher as Mayweather. My point is that everyone gasses against Mayweather, and IMHO it has more to do with his ability to make you miss, and make you work to get in position to land something of substance while he lands at will and is gone before your punch can land.

I'm really not trying to get into a argument with a nut hugger, the fact you discredit Mayweather's win against Mosley is enough to let me know that you're not being objective.

& I'm afraid that Marquez will always give Pac a tough fight, again since he fought Mayweather your quick to write him off.

Let me ask you this; Pacquiao/Mosley at 147, who wins?

[Carpe Diem]

Who would say has the best ring IQ in boxing regardless of the division they are in?

It's very hard to decide right now, but i think Hopkins has the best ring IQ.

[viperz007]

& I'm afraid that Pac hasn't faced as skilled a boxer/counterpuncher as Mayweather. My point is that everyone gasses against Mayweather, and IMHO it has more to do with his ability to make you miss, and make you work to get in position to land something of substance while he lands at will and is gone before your punch can land.

I'm really not trying to get into a argument with a nut hugger, the fact you discredit Mayweather's win against Mosley is enough to let me know that you're not being objective.

& I'm afraid that Marquez will always give Pac a tough fight, again since he fought Mayweather your quick to write him off.

Let me ask you this; Pacquiao/Mosley at 147, who wins?

Pacquiao LOL
mosley is old floyd said and need to retire!

thats the reason i say this fight will be great coz both of them hasnt fought anyone like the other...

i laugh at those people who say floyd will win for sure or the other way around! this will be a surprising fight!

[Pacquiao'd]

MOST maybe all floyds opponent LACKS stamina

and hatton is nu defence except for his face as his sheild!

and all of them doesnt have the workrate as great as pacquiao
pacs train harder than all of them put together, has motivation to put ur face in the canvas... isnt it the reason why floyd suspect him to be on something and is better than him and want an even playing field?

weird angle+power+speed+footwork+stamina= great

bwahaha, so thats your excuse. no one thats fought floyd has stamina? hahaha

[viperz007]

bwahaha, so thats your excuse. no one thats fault floyd has stamina? hahaha

what? talk right dude u sounded like a dumb arse for a second

[| THE KING |]

Roach has said this will be Manny's biggest test. Mayweather Jr. himself said Pacquiao is extraordinary. Uncle Roger said Manny got balls to fight Cotto (before Manny beat Cotto). May Sr. Said He don't want his son fighting Pacquiao. That about says it all. This will be a pick'em fight. They both know this will be a challenge, ain't nothing easy about either of these two ATG's.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

No Pac can not hold a candle to Floyds inside fighting skills.

[apokalips]

I think Roach believes Manny's best chance is for Floyd to not fight on the inside and hence his comments about Mayweather having no legs, thinking this will bait Mayweather into using more movement and putting less into his punches. He probably believes that if Mayweather walks Pac down or forces Pac to fight on the inside its over.

[fcastro1]

You are reading what you want to read or not comprehending what you are reading. You pick which one it is but I will explain it again.

I am saying that Manny has not fought a fighter that has the same style as Marquez. So all these so called improvements that he has made has not come against a fighter with the same style as Marquez you all know the figther who gave Manny his toughest fights. So how do we all know that Manny has really improved against that STYLE of fighter when Manny has not faced that style of fighter since the 2nd Marquez fight. De la Hoya, Cotto and Clottey fight nothing like Marquez.

You or nobody can sit here and say that Manny has improved against that style when he has not faced that style.

That is like saying a football team with a poor run defense plays 3 straight games against teams that pass 80% of the time. When that teams run defense stats improve because they played against passing teams. That team comes out and says we fixed and improved our run defense. When the reality of it is they don't know that because for 3 straight games that have not played a team that runs the football.

has floyd ever fought anyone compareable or even close to pacquiaos style? NO

[fabie]

Cut and Paste from different Threads I have posted....Keys for this mythical fight.

This was a cut and paste on a thread about why "Pacquiao and Roach using unknown sparring partners and why"...this is relevant to how I see this mythical Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.....too much to retype thus the cut and paste.

I think that most people doesn't realize is that NO ONE can actually be like Mayweather but what Roach is doing (and he is doing just great) is to work with specific attributes and applying his strategy with "quick fisted fighters"...

I think that his ways of teaching is really conducive to the way Pacquiao works, his psyche, his body...and not only Pacquiao believes him, he adores him. Pacquiao is a tireless worker and competitor and Roach can see that in him.

Having said that, the contrasting styles between the Pacquiao and Mayweather really pose for the classical fighters and "how to beat" both. This would mark as something really substantial and to the degree or magnitude of what is at stake in this level of boxing is astounding and mostly intriguing.

I don't care much for the drama but for purely the technicalities of both fighters' approach and style: The Pugilist boxer in Mayweather and the Pugilist Slugger in Pacquiao.

I couldn't believe how Pacquiao transformed from a relatively tactical fighter from the outside and now into a full blown slugger with a twist. He isn't just a rock-em-sock-em robot but with a strategy.

Having said that, Mayweather would still pose great challenges....namely, his jabs, footwork, shoulder rolls, and great defensive skills all capped by his squirrel-like quickness and timing.

My take is how Pacquiao can:

• cut Mayweather off the jab
• counter jabs
• assault Mayweather with his quick footworks

And I think Pacquiao would have to:

• use the right hook AND left cross/hook a lot inorder to counter off the jab
• use footwork and cutting angles outside of Mayweather's left jab
• lateral movements and move to Mayweahter's right cross
• the KILLER LEFT (the cross, the hook and the new famed HOOKERCUT)
• use jabs more

I think those are the keys. While with Mayweather, I think he would look for:

• Catch Pacquiao flatfooted with a jab AND double jabs
• Right cross
• lateral movements mainly to his LEFT and Pacquiao's RIGHT side
• Jab and clinch
• Work him tirelessly from the outside
• lunging left hooks

Having said those, this would be a real megafight, but I am also reserving myself towards a disappointing fight should one of them could actually dominate this fight. It isn't far fetch.

Either fighter can in one fight.

Here's to a great fight and hopefully entertain us to no limit! I am a Pacquiao fan obviously but I am also a Mayweather fan in terms of technicalities. I love Ali's style, the jab and the cross, the footworks.

This was posted from another thread by me when asked "how can Pacquiao dominate Mayweather"....too much to retype thus I have to cut and paste.

If Pacquiao can cut off the ring effectively and much more if he timed his IN-AND-OUT efficiently....then he can dominate Floyd.

But that remains to be seen. As a fan of the JAB and shuffling a la' ALI in Floyd while also being a Pacquiao fan, this will be THE fight of the century.

I am thinking that Pacquiao would have to be in his absolute best with flawless footwork to get in and hit Floyd with great leverage. In that light I can see Pacquiao struggling.

Until Pacquiao lands and hurts Floyd that would or could entice Floyd into a brawl that would obviously give Pacquiao the nod of the fight.

But Pacquiao is deliciously savvy and on the roll. If he can do both his lateral "Triangular" footwork and outside of Floyd's jab AND outside Floyd's Right Cross....then Pacquiao would eat him alive.

But that remains to be seen. Mayweather's quick and darting jabs can also neutralize Pacquiao then clinching.



This was posted on a thread long ago by me...on the issue of "how can Floyd avoid or deter Pacquiao's RIGHT HOOK"....hard to retype all of these and relevant to this thread.

The key, I think for FLOYD is to:

• LEFT JAB as a quick counter while moving laterally to his left. Meaning to "counter" while connecting first.

• Shoulder Roll while leaning to his right as the opponent's RIGHT HOOK is about to land on his left

• Beat the opponent to the punch with his right cross

• Leaning back (upper body)

• Left Guard up (instead of low)

• Bob and Weave to the left and under the Right Hook a la' Pacquiao's Duck and Roll to Hatton's wide left hook or jab

• Beating his opponent's left hook with a sharp and snappy left hook (inside) or a left uppercut...

I just listed or rather exhausted the possibilities of what Floyd CAN do. But in most probability, his well-timed left jab is the most effective while using the footwork and lateral movements to get away from Pacquiao's counters. But if Floyd lands his jabs well, then he either just follow it up with a RIGHT CROSS or just double up on his jab.

Landing those would, in most cases, nullify anyone's RIGHT HOOK or anyone's attack. I said, in most cases....thus a variation of the Left Jab and it's timing/angles are the key for unpredictability.

I think this would be the most that Freddie Roach would study on how Floyd throws his jab. Freddie Roach is looking for habits and patterns, such as:

• Does Floyd do anything such as tapping his gloves before jabbing.

Obviously he doesn't but that is just an example. Most of the time, Floyd would throw his left jab from a stance where his left arm is low on his midsection level (or throw the lunging left hook) while the right arm is always on guard to deter any punches to Floyd's right side in conjunction with his left shoulder (see shoulder roll).

Floyd's footwork is empeccable. The timing of his jabs are such that upon landing the jab, he recoils very quickly with his feet already on a transition towards his lateral left, right or backwards.

Therefore I see Freddie Roach studying the head-on LEFT JAB counters with Pacquiao's right hook to the head or body, right upper cut....or the usual Left Cross to the head, Left hook, left uppercut or the left hookercut (see Cotto going down on the 3th round).

From my own humble observation, I can see Pacquiao going on the outside of Floyd's left foot on a 45 degree before even Floyd throws his jab. This is a typical FMA (Filipino Martial art - Kali/escrima/arnis which I am practicing) positioning inorder to cut the opponent with a left lead...

I can see possibilities of Pacquiao throwing the right hook to Floyd's left rib or left side of the face or even a right uppercut. Then of course, the usual bread and butter weapon, HIS LEFT CROSS or LEFT UPPERCUT or LEFT HOOK. (either to the face or body).

Timing is obviously a crucial issue and so is the footwork involved with it. That is why I know Freddie Roach is very much concerned about teaching Pacquiao the way to "cut" Floyd outside inorder to be the aggressor and putting Floyd on the utmost defensive.

I can also see lateral movement to the left (bob and weaving) Floyd's RIGHT CROSS, then going with Pacquiao's left hook to the body and going upstairs with the left hook.

Many possibilities...

I see this fight as a salivating feast for an armchair boxer in me...while being a practitioner or student of the FMA and JKD...