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I wasn't referring to you specifically.
There are people in this thread, and also in other related ones, who genuinely think it will be a duck by Dawson if he doesn't cut the weight and fight Bute at 168, in Montreal, with Marlon Wright as the ref.
That's just not realistic for so many reasons.
Bute wants no part of Dawson, if you look at his current string of opponents then it's pretty easy to see that he has no desire to fight someone of Chad's caliber.
People give Dawson **** for fighting Tarver and Johnson, both of those guys are significantly better than anyone Bute has ever beaten yet Bute gets none of that criticism and for some reason it's fine for him to beat up washed up retreads like Edison Miranda.Comment
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And Dawson's reply is:
1) you can fight me at a catchweight and still move back down to 168 to fight the Super 6 winner???? Why not??? You've got a whole year to do it..
2) Chad Dawson brings way more money to the table than Jesse Brinkley and William Joppy.
3) So you can't take a fight at 171 or 172 while you wait for another 16-18 months for the Super 6 to wrap up. Who is there to clean out?
Those are all terrible excuses.Comment
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1) Let's see what happens with Pascal. I'd be willing to bet Brinkley make more than DAwson, however as far as HBO viewership Dawson will bring more. It's not like Dawson's fights have any rating whatsoever on HBO though, Tarver-Dawson was their worst rating. Are you forgetting that Pavilk is out there? (even though its suicide for pavlik)
2) Bute doesn't have to wait until after the tourney. All he has to wait for is for Kessler, Froch, Abe, or Dirrell to not make the finals. Bam, there's a credible opponent because every one of them has defeated anbother top tier 168 lber and the genereal US public knows ho they are (unlike anyone else in LHW).
3) *** catchweights. You said in an earlier post you don't want to see catchweights. TErrible excuse.Comment
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Unfortunately for Bute, he has no one else to fight, its not like he's ducking anyone at 168 and he's making tons of dough. Dawson's whole career has been mismanaged by Shaw and he's sucking the HBO teet for whatever little money he can get. Maybe he'll raise his profile enough with a big win vs pascal.
For the record, I think neither guy is a duck. I think both are certified badasses but these guys are fighting for $. If you bring the money, you have an upper hand in negotiations. Bute is not ducking by not moving up to take on a SERIOUS threat before he has cleaned out his division.Comment
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You're right about this... cept the guys who aren't gonna make the cut are going to be Dirrell and Green or Green and Froch.
For one thing I think it is probably safe to say that they will still be under some kind of contract with Showtime for another fight or two and that will complicate any possible Bute fight on HBO.
I know Lucian Bute would jump at the chance to fight Allan Green. You can bet your ass that after Kessler knocks Green out Team Bute will be hard at work securing Allan Green and not Andre Dirrell or Carl Froch.
On top of the fact that Bute really doesn't want a tough fight is the fact that Froch absolutely would not travel and Shaw probably won't put Andre Dirrell out like that if he prefers the fight for Chad Dawson.
Honestly though, the most annoying thing about Lucian Bute is that this guy is never going to travel. He is gonna fight at home against only the opponents willing to meet his terms for as long as fans will tolerate it. He's gonna be like Calzaghe where he never tries to prove himself until he is 37 years old.Comment
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Chad Dawson brings money to the table.
So far, Lucian Bute has fought on a BAD and as the B side of a WCB where considering he had to split money with Pavlik, Martinez, and Miranda, he probably didn't make that much.
Bute/Dawson is a fight HBO would probably put up around 3 mill for, and a lot of that is cause of Dawson.
Therefore, Dawson brings something to the table. And why wouldn't Bute move up? Every worthy opponent at 168 is occupied with the Super Six. And we don't know what those contracts look like...I'm curious to see if Showtime has options on these Super Six guys.
Plus, Bute/Froch is not going to be a WCB. HBO isn't putting up that kind of money for that fight...I don't see them putting up that money for Bute/Green, Kessler, Froch, or Abraham.
A moving up in weight Bute>>>>>>>>Cloud as an opponent. I don't see how it's debatable.Comment
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How in god's name is that a meaningless fight?
If Dawson beats Pascal he'll be the ring champion. Who gives a **** about unifying the alphabet titles?
And Cloud is a nobody while Bute is borderline Top 10 P4P. And Bute is going to move up, it's inevitable. All of those '68 guys will move up soon, so if Bute is the first one to, why does that make it meaningless?Comment
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Not only does Walt (and many others) believe that Dawson "doesn't bring money to the table" but they also believe that Bute has earned the right to dictate the terms of every single fight and also earned the right to fight in Montreal every single time.
It's amazing that a fighter who has beaten absolutely nobody and handpicked every single opponent for the past 3 years gets so much credit on a site where people give Floyd Mayweather **** for fighting much stiffer competition than Bute ever has.
It's almost laughable. Bute has pulled the wool over the eyes of a lot of fans.Comment
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