Should there be a Super Heavyweight Division?

[Pirao]

it really has nothing to do with that more than the fact that people who naturally around 220-230 feel they have to blow up to 250-260 just to compete in the heavyweight division.

thus diminishing the quality of fighters.

would you be against extending the CW division to say 220?

Yes, I would be against it. The quality of the fighters isn't diminished, if a guy balloons up to 250-260 without adding useful weight, there are two options: he doens't take boxing seriously, or he's a dumbass if he believes flab will actually help him, his quality isn't diminished, he is where he should be.

[Pirao]

No one gives a **** about Frazier or Tyson were talking...TODAY.

And how many Frazier and Tysons are around..today?

You sure YOU keeping up?

You're too dumb to see the point I'm trying to make, so just stop bothering me.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Yes, I would be against it. The quality of the fighters isn't diminished, if a guy balloons up to 250-260 without adding useful weight, there are two options: he doens't take boxing seriously, or he's a dumbass if he believes flab will actually help him, his quality isn't diminished, he is where he should be.

No he should be at another weight class so fighters who are dedicated and are not giants can give the fans fights that are not mismatches before a bell is rung.

[Fighting Marine]

Honestly, all the Heavyweight Division needs is a great smaller fighter who will be able to dethrone the Klitschko's.

Wlad and Vitali weigh about 240-250 pounds.

Smaller sized Heavyweights of the past were also able to knock out so called "Super" Heavies. Jack Demspey who weighed 190 pounds and below 200 pounds his entire career knocked out Jess Willard 245 pounds and Tony Drake weighed 257.Joe Frazier was also able to roll over a couple Super Heavies, Undefeated Buster Mathis included.

The 2 brothers are just soo far ahead of todays pack. I believe size is irrelavant. If you are a great heavyweight, you are a great heavyweight.

[Pirao]

Honestly, all the Heavyweight Division needs is a great smaller fighter who will be able to dethrone the Klitschko's.

Wlad and Vitali weigh about 240-250 pounds.

Smaller sized Heavyweights of the past were also able to knock out so called "Super" Heavies. Jack Demspey who weighed 190 pounds and below 200 pounds his entire career knocked out Jess Willard 245 pounds and Tony Drake weighed 257.Joe Frazier was also able to roll over a couple Super Heavies, Undefeated Buster Mathis included.

The 2 brothers are just soo far ahead of todays pack. I believe size is irrelavant. If you are a great heavyweight, you are a great heavyweight.

That's what I'm saying.

[MidnightSpecial]

Yes, I would be against it. The quality of the fighters isn't diminished, if a guy balloons up to 250-260 without adding useful weight, there are two options: he doens't take boxing seriously, or he's a dumbass if he believes flab will actually help him, his quality isn't diminished, he is where he should be.

there is only so much "useful" weight a man naturally 220 can put on.

if by natural you mean not fat but muscle then that wouldnt benefit the fighter either.

the bigger heavier muscles would then slow him down and tire him quicker since he is naturally a 220lb. guy

see my point?

when you have a weight disparity that big there isnt much you can do to change it unless you want to get fat or overly muscular

[jrosales13]

If you believe that, then you should believe that there shouldn't be a SHW division. Statistic dictates that good small HWs have to emerge eventually.

Show me where I said that I like the idea of it? Are you not reading the thread?

Even in the post that you just responded to. I mentioned "the idea even though I don't like it"

Again I am not for the SHW division. But, I understand why somebody would think is a good idea. Because, the HW's of today, I repeat of today, can't compete with these big skilled HW's like the Klitschko's.

That has nothing to do with Frazier nor Tyson. Since there are no smallish HW's right now that are as good as Frazier or Tyson. Those type of fighters are not walking through that door. I don't see any in the horizon. No small HWs right now can carry Tyson or Frazier jock strapped.

So just cuz the the smaller HWs of today may not be able to compete. Doesn't mean that Frazier or Tyson couldn't it. Again not saying that I agree or like having a super heavyweight division. But, I am saying the smaller HWs of today may not be able to compete but Frazier and Tyson could.

[S.G.]

Nah, what's the point? It will just supplant the heavyweight division's current status, which will in turn become cruiserweight mk II.

[MidnightSpecial]

Honestly, all the Heavyweight Division needs is a great smaller fighter who will be able to dethrone the Klitschko's.

Wlad and Vitali weigh about 240-250 pounds.

Smaller sized Heavyweights of the past were also able to knock out so called "Super" Heavies. Jack Demspey who weighed 190 pounds and below 200 pounds his entire career knocked out Jess Willard 245 pounds and Tony Drake weighed 257.Joe Frazier was also able to roll over a couple Super Heavies, Undefeated Buster Mathis included.

The 2 brothers are just soo far ahead of todays pack. I believe size is irrelavant. If you are a great heavyweight, you are a great heavyweight.

Jack beating Willard is not a good comparision

Willard was clearly no Klitschko and Dempsey had some funny gloves.

[Haglerwins]

No no no.

If you were to do this, you don't split Heavyweight, you split Cruiserweight (to cut down the 2 or so dozen poundage gap between HW and CWs).

So the solution would be:

Super Cruiserweight.