Should there be a Super Heavyweight Division?

[Pirao]

yes i believe two of the greatest heavyweights to ever breathed a breath would win.

your point?

you act like there are Tyson's and Fraziers everywhere

Then why would you think there is a need for a HW division? One of those guys has to emerge statistically.

[MidnightSpecial]

Thing is we can see the fighters coming up there isnt a hope in sight. Many including myself thought it would be David Haye but hes no back bone or balls.

and even then Haye was way overweight when he fought Ruiz and it showed.

Why?

because he has to put on more weight to compete with the Klits

[RimmyDelicious]

Just to put into perspective how much "bigger" these super heavyweights really are:

If you can't make 200 pounds during camp and through restricting liquids, then you are likely a natural 220-225 pound man. That would mean that the biggest and best heavyweights, at 250 pounds, are only 9% bigger than you are. Manny Pacquaio, at 148 pounds, has fought Josh Clottey and Miguel Cotto in his last two fights, with each of those men weighing at least 158 pounds, or nearly 15% more, than Manny Pacquaio.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

and even then Haye was way overweight when he fought Ruiz and it showed.

Why?

because he has to put on more weight to compete with the Klits

Yeah I thought he looked good for the most part but it was evident he was heavy as hell and had no stamina.

[Guest]

I am against a superheavyweight division.


I do prefer the historic divisions.

The baddest man in the world could very well be 215 as well as 250.

[Fighting Marine]

Then why would you think there is a need for a HW division? One of those guys has to emerge statistically.

Just because their is an absence of a Great natural 200-220 pounds Heavyweight it doesn't mean we should make a SHW division. There just isn't that type of fighter in Wlad's era as of YET.

Great Super Heavyweight Fighters of the past were all beaten by GREAT smaller men.

It can happen to the Super Heavies of today too.

[Heeb]

Although a super heavyweight division might be more fair, the super heavyweight division would be awful. The only fighters who people consider to have somewhat of a chance against a K brother are all small heavyweights. The Klitschkos are also the only two big heavyweights who are great fighters. Most of the other big guys have gotten beaten by better smaller guys.

[MidnightSpecial]

Just to put into perspective how much "bigger" these super heavyweights really are:

If you can't make 200 pounds during camp and through restricting liquids, then you are likely a natural 220-225 pound man. That would mean that the biggest and best heavyweights, at 250 pounds, are only 9% bigger than you are. Manny Pacquaio, at 148 pounds, has fought Josh Clottey and Miguel Cotto in his last two fights, with each of those men weighing at least 158 pounds, or nearly 15% more, than Manny Pacquaio.

but their is no height disparity

6'7 guys verses someone at 6'2-6'3

with much more weight and much more power.

but your getting into what we have been talking about with Tyson and Frazier

you cant judge based on some of the best fighters boxing has ever seen

[S.G.]

and even then Haye was way overweight when he fought Ruiz and it showed.

Why?

because he has to put on more weight to compete with the Klits

That's his prerogative though. If there was a super heavyweight division that the Klits were lording over they'd still be where the money and acclaim was and Haye would only have to gain yet more weight to move beyond the little heavyweight divison into the super one.

[RimmyDelicious]

but their is no height disparity

6'7 guys verses someone at 6'2-6'3

with much more weight and much more power.

but your getting into what we have been talking about with Tyson and Frazier

you cant judge based on some of the best fighters boxing has ever seen

Using the Pacquaio example again, he is 5'6, or 66 inches tall. Josh Clottey is 5'10, or 70 inches tall. That makes for a 4 inch height disparity, the SAME height disparity between Wlad Klitschko and both Tomasz Adamek and David Haye.

That does not even account for the percentage difference. If you want to go there, Manny was at an astronomically bigger disadvantage against Clottey than anyone recently against Wlad.