Should there be a Super Heavyweight Division?

[edgarg]

but you have to understand that when divisions were made men were smaller.

as time has progressed larger men have been able to be just as athletic as smaller men.

so today Dempsey, Marciano, etc. would have no place in boxing because they were bigger than cruisers but no where near 250lbs.

They weren't bigger than cruisers, but were actually very small cruisers.

[Boss2k10]

No.

The Klitschkos are the champs because there better not because there bigger. Eddie Chambers is not fast, he is fat and would lose to any other heavyweight champion of the past regardless of there size.

There is nothing stopping Haye, Adamek, Arreola, Chambers and Tua fighting one another for these so called 'exciting fights'. They dont need a belt for that. Even if they did have their own divsion the top guys would not fight each other just like every other divison in boxing.

[MidnightSpecial]

No.

The Klitschkos are the champs because there better not because there bigger. Eddie Chambers is not fast, he is fat and would lose to any other heavyweight champion of the past regardless of there size.

There is nothing stopping Haye, Adamek, Arreola, Chambers and Tua fighting one another for these so called 'exciting fights'. They dont need a belt for that. Even if they did have their own divsion the top guys would not fight each other just like every other divison in boxing.

i would pay to watch any of those mentioned fighters fight each other rather than pay a dime to watch a Klitschko walk through them

if there was a small heavyweight division i would watch it more than i watched the big boys.

more trading, more in-fighting, more equal fights.

the heavyweight division is exciting because of the power and the fight being able to change on one punch unlike some other weight classes

but when you get these weight disparities its either a boring fight and a KO for the big guy or its a slow drawn out decision for the small guy.

or like recent fights its a long ****ty drawn out fight were the small guy runs around because he has no chance beating a guy that out weighs him by 50 pounds

[trk]

Most of the small HWs (Byrd, Chambers, Ademek, Haye, etc.) could easily make CW if they wanted to. The reason why they don't fight at CW is because the money and the prestige is at HW. Even if you limit HW to 230 or 240 lbs, big HWs like Lennox Lewis and the Klitschkos would still be able to make weight and the only fighters stuck at at SHW would be giants like Valuev.

I don't think adding an extra division would be a good idea. If you want the small HWs to be more competitive and have a better chance of winning a title, then just convince them to fight at CW where they belong.

[gingeralbino]

i would pay to watch any of those mentioned fighters fight each other rather than pay a dime to watch a Klitschko walk through them

if there was a small heavyweight division i would watch it more than i watched the big boys.

more trading, more in-fighting, more equal fights.

the heavyweight division is exciting because of the power and the fight being able to change on one punch unlike some other weight classes

but when you get these weight disparities its either a boring fight and a KO for the big guy or its a slow drawn out decision for the small guy.

or like recent fights its a long ****ty drawn out fight were the small guy runs around because he has no chance beating a guy that out weighs him by 50 pounds

so to summerise that post, you'll be more interested in HW boxing when the klits retire or get **** as they get older as it'll mean more evenly contested tittle match ups.

Lets face it, the only 2 super HWs that cant be beaten currently are the klit brothers, when they are finished large not so great HWs like Dimenkro and Valeuv will be beaten by more skilled smaller HWs just like in the past. Just because there's no-one skilled/fast/strong enough to beat the top 2 HWs atm doesnt mean in 5 years time there wont be. The Klits will be old and/or retired. There might be a great smaller HW coming up at that stage that can compete with a 6ft 7" HW that will be fighting then.


A super HW division would be a complete waste of time.

[mcdoodledoo]

I have read through a couple pages of this thread, so I apologise I any of this has been said before, but I just thought I'd dive in there and post. Basically the way I see it, is that a Super heavyweight Division would end up being a trash division with sub skilled and fat, lazy 'athletes' fighting each other because they are too lazy to train properly, but it also penalises fights like the Klitschko's as they train hard, and it's not their fault that they are big! And even nowadays, there are fighters like Chambers and Haye beating taller, heavier fighters like Valuev and that guy I cant remember his name! The Klitschko bros are winning not only just because of their size, but their skills as well, as you can't win on size alone (most of the time).

And also, there are fighters out in the Heavyweight division that are there because they just don't want to boil down to cruiserweight, for reasons of money and not a lot of fights there, but if they did all boil down and fight at a weight closer to their size, then the fights would be there and the money would also be there.

But if there were to be a change in weight, I would rather see a rise in the cruiserweight limit of say around 10-15 pounds so the smaller heavyweight fighters of now could fight there, yet still be at a higher weight closer to the guy fighters, so if they did need to move up, the jump in weight wouldn't be as big. That would be better than making a lame super heavyweight division.

[BoxerDood]

I agree with this. Now you will get some boxing purists (mainly Klit fans) completely shoot this down but we have to face facts. Athletes evolve. These guys today are giants. Some over 6-6, some even up over 290 Pounds.

There was talk of this really happening a few months back. The sanctioning bodies had a meeting on it. Nothing ever got released on what happened with it.

Perfect Example: Chambers vs. Wlad. The fight is just a clear mis match. Id love to see a Super Heavyweight Division.

But at that same token Id love to see Heavyweight have a weight limit. Like 240 or something like that. Guys coming in like Tyson Fury at 270 is just bull****. I think this would make the Heavyweight division better. Make these guys have to make weight like everybody else. Then all the lazy fat slobs can be stuck at Super Heavy.

This right here is the key to making the heavyweight division good. Not having to make weight has given HW fighters the opportunity to eat all of the twinkies in the world, sit on their asses all day *cough*Arreola*cough* and still fight.

[Boxing Scene]

Absolutely not. Watering down the divisions even more isn't the savior of boxing. Chris Byrd proved you don't have to be huge and a huge puncher to beat big guys and Eddie Chambers did very well until he met the absolute best as well.

[Pirao]

i would pay to watch any of those mentioned fighters fight each other rather than pay a dime to watch a Klitschko walk through them

if there was a small heavyweight division i would watch it more than i watched the big boys.

more trading, more in-fighting, more equal fights.

the heavyweight division is exciting because of the power and the fight being able to change on one punch unlike some other weight classes

but when you get these weight disparities its either a boring fight and a KO for the big guy or its a slow drawn out decision for the small guy.

or like recent fights its a long ****ty drawn out fight were the small guy runs around because he has no chance beating a guy that out weighs him by 50 pounds

So basically you want a new division, so the fighters you don't like go away, thanks for clarifying.

[Boss2k10]

i would pay to watch any of those mentioned fighters fight each other rather than pay a dime to watch a Klitschko walk through them

if there was a small heavyweight division i would watch it more than i watched the big boys.

more trading, more in-fighting, more equal fights.

the heavyweight division is exciting because of the power and the fight being able to change on one punch unlike some other weight classes

but when you get these weight disparities its either a boring fight and a KO for the big guy or its a slow drawn out decision for the small guy.

or like recent fights its a long ****ty drawn out fight were the small guy runs around because he has no chance beating a guy that out weighs him by 50 pounds

They dont need a new weight class to fight each other. Like heavyweight contenders did in the past they can fight one another as well as challenging the champion. Why glorify people who arent talented with title belts that they dont deserve.

This right here is the key to making the heavyweight division good. Not having to make weight has given HW fighters the opportunity to eat all of the twinkies in the world, sit on their asses all day *cough*Arreola*cough* and still fight.

If there were heavyweights around who were of the standard of previous eras then unconditioned athletes like Arreola would not be contenders. More to do with the lack of qulaity of the heavyweight division that guys like Arreola and Chambers are contenders.