Where Do You Rank Roy Jones All Time?

[Bozo_no no]

Jones Jr is one of these guys who just got a lucky break, and became grossly over-rated.

You see your red bar?

You're an idiot. I've read too much bull **** from you.

You're beyond clueless.

[Tarver is my dad]

Oh yes I do.

Roy Jones was not the best at 160 when he was at 160. Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan were the best 160 fighters and WBC champions when Jones Jr was in that division. Jones Jr avoided them. (Hopkins wasn't even ranked in the top five at 160 when Jones Jr fought him, he was nothing).

Jones Jr defended his IBF 168 title five times - three of which weren't even ranked in the top 10 at 168 at the time and another was just a 'blown-up' Lightweight. Jones Jr avoided the fellow top five World Champions (Benn, Eubank, Collins, Liles).

Dariusz Michalczewski was the Lineal Champion at 175, it was not Roy Jones. Jones Jr avoided Dariusz for a good 6-7 years and never did get it on with him. Jones Jr sucks.

Michael Nunn was constantly Jones Jr's mandatory in the mid-to-late 90's, Jones Jr did not fight him.

Even at HW, he didn't fight the best (Lewis, Tyson, etc).

The myth of Roy Jones lives on.. but he was a disgrace to boxing. Do you know that he wasn't ranked near the top 10 lb4lb before he fought Toney, but when he beat the out-of-shape and out-of-form Toney he undeservedly jumped straight into the #1 lb4lb spot (because Toney was rated #1 lb4lb at the time). But Toney was weighing 220lbs just 6 weeks prior to the Jones Jr fight and had to get down to 168! So Toney he was weight-drained and in no fit state to fight. Jones Jr remained #1 lb4lb for 10 years, conning you gullable fools by beating up mediocre opposition.. picking his opponents very carefully.

He was a great businessman, not a great boxer.

First of all, you cannot say Jackson and McClellan was better was 160 than Roy because they never fought. Also, Hopkins was not a nobody, he was the #1 contender for the IBF title when he faced Roy.
Roy didnt face Eubank or Collins because they didnt give Roy a chance when he wanted to fight them. Now when they were at the end of their careers, they want to fight Roy so they can get a big payday? I dont think so.
The winner of Toney/Jones was suppose to fight the winner of Benn/McClellan. When Jones wanted to fight Benn, Don King didn't want to do that because Don didn't totally have Benn. Him and Frankie Warren had Benn together, so Don King didn't want to make that fight. The fight will Liles didnt happen because he was a Don King fighter, so in order to negotiate with Liles, Roy had to negotiate with King, and that just fell apart.
The fight with Dariusz Michalczewski fell apart because Michalczewski didn't want to come to the United States to fight, and Roy didn't want to go another country to fight because he was still paranoid of getting robbed like the 88 Olympics. They both ducked each other.
Michael Nunn- Even though negotiations couldn't be settled between them and the fight wasn't really worth a lot. I believe he was the only fighter Roy really ducked.
At heavyweight, Roy said that it was only gonna be a one time thing because he wanted to make history. He didnt fight any other heavyweights because of too much money being involved and other fighters had their own mandatory challenges. Also Tarver was kept on challenging Roy.
It's not Roy's fault that Toney wasn't in good condition. For such a high televised fight, Toney should've been in better condition and better prepared for the fight.
And yes, Roy was a great buisnessman and also a great fighter. Discussion closed.

[oldgringo]

I can see Jones anywhere from 20-30. I don't think he should be rated any higher than 20 since his comp wasn't always top notch. His 3 biggest wins were over James Toney who looked like he'd rather be at a strip club than in the ring, Hopkins who although he was in his physical prime, was light years away from being in his best form, an older Mike McCallum, and a mediocre HW title holder in John Ruiz. I think Roy was among the best of our generation and could be seen in that 20-30 range depending on criteria.

[JUYJUY]

First of all, you cannot say Jackson and McClellan was better was 160 than Roy because they never fought. Also, Hopkins was not a nobody, he was the #1 contender for the IBF title when he faced Roy.

McClellan was rated by RING Magazine as the number one Middleweight in the world, ahead of Roy Jones.

Hopkins was not #1 contender, in the IBF rankings it was Gerald McClellan as #1 contender (but he was also #1 contender for WBC title and chose that), Roy Jones number two, Thomas Tate number three, Mike McCallum number four, Steve Collins number five, Bernard Hopkins number six. Tate, McCallum and Collins were in preparation for up-coming fights so that left Roy Jones and Hopkins to fight for the vacant IBF title (because IBF wanted a champion sooner rather than later, they didn't like their titles vacant).

Roy didnt face Eubank or Collins because they didnt give Roy a chance when he wanted to fight them.

That doesn't make any sense seeing as Jones Jr was champion years before Collins became champion?? I don't understand that, sorry.

[scottie]

Guys, d you think Jones has a lock on the Hall-of-fame the way he went out? 2 knockout losses doesn't help.

[oldgringo]

Guys, d you think Jones has a lock on the Hall-of-fame the way he went out? 2 knockout losses doesn't help.

Are you kidding?

[lilmatic215]

top 10 easy...if you wish to use over all talent...number 1 in my book...i've never seen anybody who combined ridiculous hand speed with power and accuracy the way roy did...roy made people stop fighting by the 4th round because they did'nt want to get hit...

really...roy was that damn good...far better than the best of the rest...truly a one of a kind

[lilmatic215]

Guys, d you think Jones has a lock on the Hall-of-fame the way he went out? 2 knockout losses doesn't help.

roy's ticket for the hall of fame was punched years ago...the losses mean nothing

[legend]

Roy was one of the most physically gifted fighters of all time easily. His losses were due to him losing too much speed and agility as he was getting older. Simple as that. I've never liked him too much and still don't but in his prime he was one of the baddest ****ers on the planet.

[Tarver is my dad]

That doesn't make any sense seeing as Jones Jr was champion years before Collins became champion?? I don't understand that, sorry.

Why didn't Collins wanted to fight Jones then?
This was from an article on RTE news.

"Retired boxer Steve Collins has confirmed that he'll be staying out of the ring.

Yesterday US pay per view channel HBO poured cold water on hopes that the former world champion might make a comeback to fight Roy Jones.

This evening Collins agreed that the proposed fight would not happen."