Where Do You Rank Roy Jones All Time?

[oldgringo]

here's a good arguement he has what 7 or 8 title in 6 different weight classes all the way from Welterweight TO Heavyweight. Name
some other fighters in the last 100 years to do that.

Wha Roy Jones has titles at welter what huh? News to me.

[Yogi]

here's a good arguement he has what 7 or 8 title in 6 different weight classes all the way from Welterweight TO Heavyweight. Name
some other fighters in the last 100 years to do that.

Jones has only held titles in four divisions (MW, SMW, LH and HW), but that's beside the point...I want to ask you, with the exception of the fighters from the last decade or so (there were only two titles as recently as the mid 80's), how many fighters from the past have had the opportunity to win four seperate world titles in each of the then-present day divisions (which have more than doubled since the days of the original eight)?

Basically what I'm saying is, it's a HELL OF A LOT easier to accomplish those type of things when there's, what 64 world titles that are available to be won (compared to about 24 or 26 when I first started watching the sport in the late 70's). Yes, it's an overrated accomplish and you can't compare it to what the fighters of the past accomplished.

[oldgringo]

Theres no malice in this post or anything, but I think people who have Jones in their top 10-15 really haven't been following boxing for very long. He was an exceptional fighter and all, but there are at least 20 guys who have better credentials than he does.

[paul750]

roy jones didn't fight enough truly great fighters to be considered near the top in an all time sense, boxers can only be based on the opponents they have faced.

[2nd II none]

Jones has only held titles in four divisions (MW, SMW, LH and HW), but that's beside the point...I want to ask you, with the exception of the fighters from the last decade or so (there were only two titles as recently as the mid 80's), how many fighters from the past have had the opportunity to win four seperate world titles in each of the then-present day divisions (which have more than doubled since the days of the original eight)?

Basically what I'm saying is, it's a HELL OF A LOT easier to accomplish those type of things when there's, what 64 world titles that are available to be won (compared to about 24 or 26 when I first started watching the sport in the late 70's). Yes, it's an overrated accomplish and you can't compare it to what the fighters of the past accomplished.

I agree with what you're saying but in Roy's case it's different he went from 150 pounds all the way up to almost 200 pounds. there is only one other fighter in history that's done anything comparable and it happened on the 1890's if I remember right.

[2nd II none]

Wha Roy Jones has titles at welter what huh? News to me.

I may be wrong I haven't looked at his title history lately.

[Yogi]

I agree with what you're saying but in Roy's case it's different he went from 150 pounds all the way up to almost 200 pounds. there is only one other fighter in history that's done anything comparable and it happened on the 1890's if I remember right.

You're probably thinking of Bob Fitzsimmons, who was the first ever triple crown champion in boxing. But Fitzsimmons never did get up to 200 lbs, and in fact may have won the heavyweight title while weighing under the middleweight limit (his weight was officially listed at about 165 or so, but there were some rumblings that he was carrying some extra weights when he stepped on the scale...a private weigh-in in the dressing room before the fight, had him at about 158 lbs.).

And the great, Sam Langford defeated many great fighters throughout his career, and he has numerous victories over HOF'ers ranging from Lightweight all the way up to Heavyweight. If he didn't have to deal with so much racism throughout his career, and if he had the opportunity to win four titles in each division, yeah his accomplishments would've dwarfed Jones'.

[2nd II none]

You're probably thinking of Bob Fitzsimmons, who was the first ever triple crown champion in boxing. But Fitzsimmons never did get up to 200 lbs, and in fact may have won the heavyweight title while weighing under the middleweight limit (his weight was officially listed at about 165 or so, but there were some rumblings that he was carrying some extra weights when he stepped on the scale...a private weigh-in in the dressing room before the fight, had him at about 158 lbs.).

And the great, Sam Langford defeated many great fighters throughout his career, and he has numerous victories over HOF'ers ranging from Lightweight all the way up to Heavyweight. If he didn't have to deal with so much racism throughout his career, and if he had the opportunity to win four titles in each division, yeah his accomplishments would've dwarfed Jones'.

yeah that's who i was thinking of just couldn't remember his name.But damn if he did have weights on him when he stepped on the scale that's funny because it makes the guy he fought look like a wuss.

[Yogi]

yeah that's who i was thinking of just couldn't remember his name.But damn if he did have weights on him when he stepped on the scale that's funny because it makes the guy he fought look like a wuss.

Well, James Corbett wasn't exactly a huge guy himself, as he weighed somewhere in the neighborhood of 180-185 for that fight with Fitzsimmons. And Corbett was also giving Fitzsimmons a boxing lesson before Bob's wife yelled out those famous words "Hit him in the slats (ribs), Bob!"...It was shortly after when Fitz switched to a southpaw stance and uncorked a left hand that caught Corbett in the solar-plexes, knocked the breath out of him, and put him down for the full count.

And I 'believe' that the Fitzsimmons/Corbett fight is the earliest known fight that still exists to some extent on film (although Corbett was involved in a couple of exhibition matches from earlier that are still around).

[2nd II none]

Well, James Corbett wasn't exactly a huge guy himself, as he weighed somewhere in the neighborhood of 180-185 for that fight with Fitzsimmons. And Corbett was also giving Fitzsimmons a boxing lesson before Bob's wife yelled out those famous words "Hit him in the slats (ribs), Bob!"...It was shortly after when Fitz switched to a southpaw stance and uncorked a left hand that caught Corbett in the solar-plexes, knocked the breath out of him, and put him down for the full count.

And I 'believe' that the Fitzsimmons/Corbett fight is the earliest known fight that still exists to some extent on film (although Corbett was involved in a couple of exhibition matches from earlier that are still around).

Damn you know your **** man I'm impressed.