Shouldn’t Mayweather be applauded for wanting testing for PEDs?

[AFighter4U]

Actually-it was 146 at the weigh in.Mayweather has not once weighed in above the welter weight limit in a welterweight fight....not once.Since the fight with Manny was at the 147 limit-there was no need to start negotiations in this manner.
Sure...Manny has never pissed a dirty test (nor have many athletes that were later found to be dabbling in PEDs) ,but if rumours are circulating from family,friends,noted and prominent boxing writers and commentators,excuses and resistance towards a certain type of testing, speculation and distrust from other boxers,etc-then that would give me reason enough to ask for the same testing....

they were actually all for the random blood testing. No problem.

Isn't olympic style blood testing up to 24 days before the fight, with urine tests up to the fight night with ANOTHER blood test right AFTER THE FIGHT reasonable?

Yet floyd jr. rejected it.

he easily accepted a supposedly ridiculous $10 million penalty.

but rejected outright a reasonable request of a random blood test up to 24 days before the fight, along with a multitude of tests up to and immediately after the fight.

In effect, Floyd jr jeopardized a $40 million fight (for each of them) just because of a discrepancy of 10 days.

10 days!

Why is that? Is Floyd jr. hiding something? Why the inconsistency in his actions?

[Emphasis]

That will never happen cuz floyd jr. will NEVER fight Manny.

Don't you find it su****ious that floyd jr. would accept a supposedly ridiculous stipulation of a $10 million penalty and yet reject a reasonable request of a random blood test 24 days before a fight, with tests taken IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIGHT?

Floyd jr. threw away $40 million cuz he couldn't accept a difference of 10 days.

The point of random drug testing is there wasn't supposed to be any cut-off dates. Team Pac initially agreed to full random drug testing, then for whatever reason; backtracked and lied.

Keep in mind, that even the mediator came out and said Pac's team was lying in regards to Mayweather's side ever offering them a 14-day cut-off proposal.

After doing so, team Pac then immediately signs to fight Clottey.
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Now after looking at the facts, you tell me who killed the fight.

[AFighter4U]

The point of random drug testing is there wasn't supposed to be any cut-off dates. Team Pac initially agreed to full random drug testing, then for whatever reason; backtracked and lied.

Keep in mind, that even the mediator came out and said Pac's team was lying in regards to Mayweather's side ever offering them a 14-day cut-off proposal.

After doing so, team Pac then immediately signs to fight Clottey.
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Now after looking at the facts, you tell me who killed the fight.

Of course there is a cut off date. Even in the olympics there is a cut off date. But that's not good enough for floyd jr.

Are you telling me that all those tests Manny was more than willing to take, the olympic-style blood tests, the urine tests up to the fight night AND blood tests IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIGHT are NOT reasonable?!?!?

Really?

Are those BATTERY OF TESTS that manny was more than willing to go through so unreasonable that floyd jr. deemed it fit to throw away $40 million?

[damned1974]

they were actually all for the random blood testing. No problem.

Isn't olympic style blood testing up to 24 days before the fight, with urine tests up to the fight night with ANOTHER blood test right AFTER THE FIGHT reasonable?

Yet floyd jr. rejected it.

he easily accepted a supposedly ridiculous $10 million penalty.

but rejected outright a reasonable request of a random blood test up to 24 days before the fight, along with a multitude of tests up to and immediately after the fight.

In effect, Floyd jr jeopardized a $40 million fight (for each of them) just because of a discrepancy of 10 days.

10 days!

Why is that? Is Floyd jr. hiding something? Why the inconsistency in his actions?

Among all of your nonsense,the only thing you possibly got correct is that Floyd and Manny may not happen.
If the Shane/Floyd fight does more PPV and Floyd wins the belt,he should gain stature in most p4p ratings...do you think that Pacquiao will have as much bargaining leverage coming off of a fight against the unknown (to most people) Joshua Clottey (who lost to the man,who in turn lost to the man) and generates less PPV than Floyd/Shane? C'mon,the only thing Arum has been talking about is the damn stadium they are fighting in,instead of the competitive nature of the fight.Even Arum knows that it would be hard to sell this as a fair fight! lol
Not sure if you seen many polls or results,but most believed that the 14 day cut-off was reasonable...keep in mind that a LOT of Pacquiao fans voted on these polls, funny that you disagree to a time frame that was a large compromise.Go think long and logically about who bailed...again-who was looking for other "options" during the negotiations and mediation attempt? All signs point towards Manny-he blew it,and he better cross his fingers, kiss his rosary beads, pray with all his countrymen,etc that Shane lands that lucky punch-or Manny may have pissed away the biggest legacy and money fight he could have ever had....after Floyd gets his hand held up in the ring as a winner,maybe Manny can have Shane...he has been developing a trend of taking fighters who have been beaten....

[AFighter4U]

Among all of your nonsense,the only thing you possibly got correct is that Floyd and Manny may not happen.
If the Shane/Floyd fight does more PPV and Floyd wins the belt,he should gain stature in most p4p ratings...do you think that Pacquiao will have as much bargaining leverage coming off of a fight against the unknown (to most people) Joshua Clottey (who lost to the man,who in turn lost to the man) and generates less PPV than Floyd/Shane? C'mon,the only thing Arum has been talking about is the damn stadium they are fighting in,instead of the competitive nature of the fight.Even Arum knows that it would be hard to sell this as a fair fight! lol
Not sure if you seen many polls or results,but most believed that the 14 day cut-off was reasonable...keep in mind that a LOT of Pacquiao fans voted on these polls, funny that you disagree to a time frame that was a large compromise.Go think long and logically about who bailed...again-who was looking for other "options" during the negotiations and mediation attempt? All signs point towards Manny-he blew it,and he better cross his fingers, kiss his rosary beads, pray with all his countrymen,etc that Shane lands that lucky punch-or Manny may have pissed away the biggest legacy and money fight he could have ever had....after Floyd gets his hand held up in the ring as a winner,maybe Manny can have Shane...he has been developing a trend of taking fighters who have been beaten....

Oh, so you're saying that all those tests, the olympic-style random blood tests 24 days before the fight, the urine tests up to the fight night and the tests IMMEDIATELY after the fight was UNREASONABLE?

Really?

How many people considered 24 days plus all those battery of tests UNREASONABLE in your poll?

So unreasonable that its enough to throw away $40 million?

Would you throw away $40 million?

Besides. Floyd's stand just doesn't make sense. Its already established that you need only 24-48 hours to hide drugs in your system. Giving Manny a 14 day window makes the tests practically USELESS.

If Manny really DID cheat, he would have JUMPED AT THE 14 DAY TESTS, since one would only need at least two days to hide the drugs from the system. All he'd have to do is to wait up to 14 days before the fight and roid up then.

Don't tell me Floyd jr. is IGNORANT of that fact. If he really wanted to make sure that manny was clean, he would have insisted on at least 3 days or 4 the most since they'd be tested IMMEDIATELY after the fight.

If people really think that manny would cheat if given the 24 day window, what on earth makes you think he won't still do so if given a 14 day window?

Making a compromise that practically makes the test useless just shows Floyd jr's. obvious agenda. And that is he's scared to death of Manny.

[Dynamite Kid]

Depends, when you inadvertently do something positive you should not get credit for it if there is no intent or conscious decision to make a difference for the better, you are just thinking of yourself, its worse when you try to destroy a guys rep by insinuating he is on them without proof.

[Ringthebell]

Do you not see it? The fight was dead the minute that GBP refused Dallas as the locale. Arum had a multi-million dollar deal in place with Jerry Jones that Manny Pacquiao would be fighting in Texas on March 13. The opponent does not matter.

Think about it. The day that "mediation" broke down, Pac-Clottey is announced. How could it possibly be announced so fast if it was not already a done deal?The negotiations and mediation was a sham. All of this stuff about 24 days or 14 days and the sniping at each other in the press is a typical Arum smokescreen. The Pac fans hate Mayweather so much that they are willing to believe any lies that come out of Arum's mouth about what transpired. Even when there is video evidence of Roach saying OST testing would not be a problem and when the mediator judge comes out saying that Arum lied, you refuse to see it. Arum plays on your sense of machismo and you eat it up.

All of you are so quick to villify Mayweather that you do not realize that you are being played like a fiddle by the old promoter who, unfortunately, is very good at what he does.

[bojangles1987]

Not the way he is doing it. He only brought it up to discredit Pacquiao, if Mayweather was serious about cleaning up boxing he would not be acting the way he is. He deserves no credit for trying to ruin Pacquiao's reputation for no reason other than jealousy.

[IMDAZED]

Depends, when you inadvertently do something positive you should not get credit for it if there is no intent or conscious decision to make a difference for the better, you are just thinking of yourself, its worse when you try to destroy a guys rep by insinuating he is on them without proof.

That's a good point. But sometimes the right message comes from the wrong guy. I'm so glad this has sparked so much debate over it. And people are becoming more knowledgeable. So if this leads to something good, that's all I care about.

[AFighter4U]

Do you not see it? The fight was dead the minute that GBP refused Dallas as the locale. Arum had a multi-million dollar deal in place with Jerry Jones that Manny Pacquiao would be fighting in Texas on March 13. The opponent does not matter.

Think about it. The day that "mediation" broke down, Pac-Clottey is announced. How could it possibly be announced so fast if it was not already a done deal?The negotiations and mediation was a sham. All of this stuff about 24 days or 14 days and the sniping at each other in the press is a typical Arum smokescreen. The Pac fans hate Mayweather so much that they are willing to believe any lies that come out of Arum's mouth about what transpired. Even when there is video evidence of Roach saying OST testing would not be a problem and when the mediator judge comes out saying that Arum lied, you refuse to see it. Arum plays on your sense of machismo and you eat it up.

All of you are so quick to villify Mayweather that you do not realize that you are being played like a fiddle by the old promoter who, unfortunately, is very good at what he does.

First of all, who rejected, all of a sudden the location of DALLAS hmm????

$1.2 billion stadium. 1st time in history. 100,000 seats.

Then rejected all of a sudden at the last minute. Was it Arum who did that?

Also, please consider that:

1. Clottey, though a formidable fighter is practically a non-entity among the average fight fan, thus giving him zero negotiating power.
2. Clottey is under Top Rank which is ... whaddayaknow! ... is ALSO promoting Manny. In effect, they have the same boss.

In other words, Manny can practically dictate all the terms of this fight, just as Floyd jr. can dictate all the terms with his fight with Mosley, who is even higher in rankings than Clottey and has more name recognition.