Shouldn’t Mayweather be applauded for wanting testing for PEDs?

[V.WEBB]

Pac is right for not taking the tests. Blood tests are too risky and should be banned from all sports. Here's why

1. The main risks with blood tests are discomfort or bruising at the site where the needle goes in. These complications usually are minor and go away shortly after the tests are done. They are minimized by applying adequate pressure at the site of the needle stick after the test is done. Serious reactions to having blood drawn are very uncommon.

2. The main side effects of blood tests are pain at the site where blood is drawn and bruising at the site.

3.Some patients experience vasovagal reactions when they have blood drawn. This is a situation where a person briefly loses consciousness after having a fear reaction to a procedure or event.

4. Needles can be contaminated by blood-borne diseases, most notably HIV/AIDS and hepatitis A, B, and C.

http://wiki.medpedia.com/Blood_Tests#Side_Effects

lol..really

they would ONLY take LESS than a teaspoon of blood from Pac AND Floyd.

You are making yourself look bad...very.

[damned1974]

Pac is right for not taking the tests. Blood tests are too risky and should be banned from all sports. Here's why

1. The main risks with blood tests are discomfort or bruising at the site where the needle goes in. These complications usually are minor and go away shortly after the tests are done. They are minimized by applying adequate pressure at the site of the needle stick after the test is done. Serious reactions to having blood drawn are very uncommon.

2. The main side effects of blood tests are pain at the site where blood is drawn and bruising at the site.

3.Some patients experience vasovagal reactions when they have blood drawn. This is a situation where a person briefly loses consciousness after having a fear reaction to a procedure or event.

4. Needles can be contaminated by blood-borne diseases, most notably HIV/AIDS and hepatitis A, B, and C.

http://wiki.medpedia.com/Blood_Tests#Side_Effects

Jeez-I have never seen people so persistent and against having blood tests....it appears to be an epidemic here on boxingscene! lol
If you really believe Manny is on his way to getting HIV with sterile needles (but not with his affairs with other women),or he may lose a fight from a small bruise on his arm (forget the fact that he can get busted up in the ring!) then we really need to redefine what the hell a "warrior" truly is!

[damned1974]

like what I asked in the other thread, if manny really is using any type of PEDs then why the hell is his brother bobby pacquiao isn't as good as him then?

LOL-people could turn around and say that maybe Bobby is NOT on PEDs!!!! Just because they are brothers doesn't mean they must or must not take the same "supplements"...

[damned1974]

floyd already knows he's gonna take on some serious damage.

i'd fear for my safety too if i seen wat pac did to cotto.

Wow-amazing point of debate....I suppose a guy who doesn't change his style and never adapts is going to win against someone who does?
Do me a favour-put everything you own on Manny to win against Floyd...when you lose your money,let me know and I will throw some "spare change" into your hat while you are panhandling for money on the sidewalk!
Thank goodness you are not my financial advisor!

[shade darkar]

not in my opinion because he has gone about it all wrong! The only reason he has brought this up is because he believes pac couldnt possibly do as well as he has. which is still ok, but you dont go tarnishing a reputation without evidence, and beating oscar, hatton and cotto is not evidence. what he should have done is gone to the state commisions and take up his ideas with them, the people that decide what testing is needed. If floyd had gone about it in the correct way, people would praise him. But as it stands, he looks ****** because he didnt ask any other fighter to do this and roger mayweather comes out saying pac is on some stuff that soldiers were using to deflect .45s! lol that is what makes them look so fcukin ******!

[The Noose]

Though I remotely understand your theory,there is a very large gap in money between the $300,000 penalty per pound on a catchweight fight (keep in mind that the Floyd/Manny fight was to be at 147-a weight that Floyd has never exceeded-even in his last fight) and a $10,000,000 per fraction of a pound over 147. Manny's team knew this was an outrageous amount and that Floyd has NEVER weighed over the 147 limit for a welter weight fight.It was also the first large and unusual request in the negotiations.Like I have said before-would people be blaming Manny for the fight failing if Floyd rejected this stipulation,or would they still continue to find ways to justify the request.
As I see it,fair is fair-if one side has a large or unusual request,then it is only fair for the other person to have their own-within reason.I,along with most people had viewed the random testing with a 14 day cut off from the blood testing,to be VERY fair. It makes you wonder if Floyd's request would have existed if Manny didn't make one for himself...we are dealing with two of the biggest boxing egos in the sport.If you think Manny doesn't have much of an ego or problems in negotiations-then look back to the problems that occured with the negotiation process between Oscar,Hatton,and Cotto fights.They almost never happened and were called off at various points.

But we dont know how much Floyd weighed against JMM.

He may well have weighed over 147.


And i think the different demands have different implications. Floyd came in over the agreed weight against JMM, whereas Pac has never tested positive before and the accusation is insulting.

[AFighter4U]

Wow-amazing point of debate....I suppose a guy who doesn't change his style and never adapts is going to win against someone who does?
Do me a favour-put everything you own on Manny to win against Floyd...when you lose your money,let me know and I will throw some "spare change" into your hat while you are panhandling for money on the sidewalk!
Thank goodness you are not my financial advisor!

That will never happen cuz floyd jr. will NEVER fight Manny.

Don't you find it su****ious that floyd jr. would accept a supposedly ridiculous stipulation of a $10 million penalty and yet reject a reasonable request of a random blood test 24 days before a fight, with tests taken IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIGHT?

Floyd jr. threw away $40 million cuz he couldn't accept a difference of 10 days.

[October]

I think it's becoming clearer that most everyone in the business end of boxing knows that PEDs are being used by at least one or more high-level pros and they stand to lose revenue and just money in general if all the PED stuff is exposed to the public. This is probably why Floyd is being ostracized for lobbying for olympic-style testing, not taking into account what his motivations are.

If the fighters are exposed for using PEDs, is the general public going to continue to contribute to these record PPV sales? Even if a fighter such as Pacquiao were to be exposed for taking PEDs and wasn't completely banned from fighting, PPV numbers would drop drastically and everyone who has something to gain from those high numbers would lose money. Anyone who has money invested in boxing has too much to lose by allowing olympic-style testing, which is why we're seeing so many roadblocks and nonsense from Arum and the rest of these clowns.

[damned1974]

But we dont know how much Floyd weighed against JMM.

He may well have weighed over 147.


And i think the different demands have different implications. Floyd came in over the agreed weight against JMM, whereas Pac has never tested positive before and the accusation is insulting.

Actually-it was 146 at the weigh in.Mayweather has not once weighed in above the welter weight limit in a welterweight fight....not once.Since the fight with Manny was at the 147 limit-there was no need to start negotiations in this manner.
Sure...Manny has never pissed a dirty test (nor have many athletes that were later found to be dabbling in PEDs) ,but if rumours are circulating from family,friends,noted and prominent boxing writers and commentators,excuses and resistance towards a certain type of testing, speculation and distrust from other boxers,etc-then that would give me reason enough to ask for the same testing....

[damned1974]

That will never happen cuz floyd jr. will NEVER fight Manny.

Don't you find it su****ious that floyd jr. would accept a supposedly ridiculous stipulation of a $10 million penalty and yet reject a reasonable request of a random blood test 24 days before a fight, with tests taken IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIGHT?

Floyd jr. threw away $40 million cuz he couldn't accept a difference of 10 days.

Oh,that's right-who was the one searching for other opponents during negotiations and the mediation.....who threw the fight away again?
It is just as easy to say Manny threw away the fight over clarity and 10 days as well......oh well,now he's taking on a "career defining", predictable fight and a lesser payday against a guy who fights in the same exact style as Manny's previous 4 opponents....wow,how's that for something different?
The only thing weird about Floyd accepting the $10,000,000 stipulation is that Manny couldn't compromise or attempt to play fair....when in his recent negotiations has he (aside from giving Clottey the bank-busting 1.5 million dollar payday?)