Shouldn’t Mayweather be applauded for wanting testing for PEDs?

[bojangles1987]

The idea that he's doing it to make Pacquiao look like a steroid user is extremely shallow. Unless Mayweather has telekinetic powers, he would not have known what Pacquiao was going to do. He simply requested the tests. If Pacquiao had agreed, there would have been no countless excuses/contradictions; further trash talk, etc. In fact, this whole thing would be a non-issue.

Makes sense to me, considering Floyd's father and uncle had brought up steroids before even the Cotto fight I believe, and for Floyd to pull the blood test out of no where when the fight looked like a done deal he had to understand that would cause a stir. That's basically coming out and saying Pac is a PED user, which would piss me off.

Should Pac take the tests? Probably, can't say anybody is definitely clean these days. Do I understand why he (or Arum, depending on who you believe is responsible for the blowup) would be so offended? Absolutely.

[IMDAZED]

Makes sense to me, considering Floyd's father and uncle had brought up steroids before even the Cotto fight I believe, and for Floyd to pull the blood test out of no where when the fight looked like a done deal he had to understand that would cause a stir. That's basically coming out and saying Pac is a PED user, which would piss me off.

Should Pac take the tests? Probably, can't say anybody is definitely clean these days. Do I understand why he (or Arum, depending on who you believe is responsible for the blowup) would be so offended? Absolutely.

I think this idea sounds nice to you but doesn't hold up to reality. For starters, if it bothered Pacquiao that much he would have never agreed to the testing in the first place. That knocks that idea right out the window. Second, your theory does make sense. Except, the reality is that they had issues with the cutoff dates, not the test itself. And finally, unless you think Floyd is some sort of seer, there is no way he could've foreseen this. Well, there's only one other reason how that might be possible, actually.

[AFighter4U]

I am sure that he would love to beat Pac in front of Bush, too. But I think they thought that they would not get a fair decision in Texas (Whitaker-Chavez all over again). If they had aired concerns over the judges in Texas, he would have been ridiculed for trying to dictate terms and acting as if they were bigger than the Texas commission. (Sound familiar?)

Could've, would've, should've. Fact is, Floyd jr. NEVER MADE THE EFFORT.

No explanations, no media announcements, nada. zip. zilch. Would it have killed him to utter one single sentence explaining his sudden change of heart? What. He suddenly got afraid of being ridiculed all of a sudden? He suddenly cared of what his fans and what people would say about him? Really?

[bojangles1987]

I think this idea sounds nice to you but doesn't hold up to reality. For starters, if it bothered Pacquiao that much he would have never agreed to the testing in the first place. That knocks that idea right out the window. Second, your theory does make sense. Except, the reality is that they had issues with the cutoff dates, not the test itself. And finally, unless you think Floyd is some sort of seer, there is no way he could've foreseen this. Well, there's only one other reason how that might be possible, actually.

I disagree. Floyd and Arum hate each other, known fact. Accusations were being made by Floyd's father and uncle for months that Pacquiao is on some PED. Bringing up the blood tests is coming out and saying "I think Pacquiao is on steroids." You could be the ******est person on the planet and based on the circumstances know that would cause outrage, especially if you are negotiating with a man that hates you and that you hate. Pac may not have that big a problem with the blood tests or cutoff dates, but Arum would.

You have to remember how much say Bob Arum has with Pacquiao, and that Manny himself says he just does what Arum tells him. Floyd may not have expected the fight to collapse over this, but he knew it wouldn't make things any easier, especially if the fight is pretty much done at that point.

[damned1974]

First of all, who rejected, all of a sudden the location of DALLAS hmm????

$1.2 billion stadium. 1st time in history. 100,000 seats.

Then rejected all of a sudden at the last minute. Was it Arum who did that?

Also, please consider that:

1. Clottey, though a formidable fighter is practically a non-entity among the average fight fan, thus giving him zero negotiating power.
2. Clottey is under Top Rank which is ... whaddayaknow! ... is ALSO promoting Manny. In effect, they have the same boss.

In other words, Manny can practically dictate all the terms of this fight, just as Floyd jr. can dictate all the terms with his fight with Mosley, who is even higher in rankings than Clottey and has more name recognition.

You are groping in the dark with your reasoning....turning down a venue is far from turning down a fight...

[AFighter4U]

The idea that he's doing it to make Pacquiao look like a steroid user is extremely shallow. Unless Mayweather has telekinetic powers, he would not have known what Pacquiao was going to do. He simply requested the tests. If Pacquiao had agreed, there would have been no countless excuses/contradictions; further trash talk, etc. In fact, this whole thing would be a non-issue.

How is it shallow? Actually, only the extremely dense wouldn't get the constant insinuations and outright accusations the mayweathers regularly spew.

He didn't request the test. When you request something, you don't mind it being rejected.

He demanded it.

Pacquiao agreed to it wholeheartedly up to 24 days. But that wasn't good enough for Floyd jr. he wanted 14 days. Which doesn't make ANY sense at all. What does 10 days do? Would 10 days suddenly change manny's mind if he wanted to cheat? If he's convinced that manny might be cheating if given a 24 day window, then what on earth will make him change his mind if he's given a 14 day window? What, suddenly manny cannot cheat if tests are taken up to 14 days before the fight? Where's the logic there? His 14 day compromise made that random blood test practically useless.

[Ringthebell]

Could've, would've, should've. Fact is, Floyd jr. NEVER MADE THE EFFORT.

No explanations, no media announcements, nada. zip. zilch. Would it have killed him to utter one single sentence explaining his sudden change of heart? What. He suddenly got afraid of being ridiculed all of a sudden? He suddenly cared of what his fans and what people would say about him? Really?

Why does he owe anybody an explanation for turning down Dallas? Would any explanation have been good enough? Your phrase "sudden change of heart" implies that they were on board all along. It was my understanding that Texas was only one of the venues being considered, along with Vegas.

[AFighter4U]

You are groping in the dark with your reasoning....turning down a venue is far from turning down a fight...

I agree with you there that turning down a venue is far from turning down a fight.

I was debating with RingtheBell who said that all this was intended by Bob to fail because he wanted Manny to fight at Dallas no matter who the opponent.

I wanted to point out that though Bob arum may have partial responsibility in the failure of this fight to happen, he didn't actively go all out to sabotage it and that Floyd's rejecting the Dallas fight was his own decision and not because of Bob's own manipulations, and that Floyd was very su****ious in my eyes for doing so.

[IMDAZED]

I disagree. Floyd and Arum hate each other, known fact. Accusations were being made by Floyd's father and uncle for months that Pacquiao is on some PED. Bringing up the blood tests is coming out and saying "I think Pacquiao is on steroids." You could be the ******est person on the planet and based on the circumstances know that would cause outrage, especially if you are negotiating with a man that hates you and that you hate. Pac may not have that big a problem with the blood tests or cutoff dates, but Arum would.

You have to remember how much say Bob Arum has with Pacquiao, and that Manny himself says he just does what Arum tells him. Floyd may not have expected the fight to collapse over this, but he knew it wouldn't make things any easier, especially if the fight is pretty much done at that point.

Well then why did Manny agree to the testing?

[IMDAZED]

How is it shallow? Actually, only the extremely dense wouldn't get the constant insinuations and outright accusations the mayweathers regularly spew.

He didn't request the test. When you request something, you don't mind it being rejected.

He demanded it.

Pacquiao agreed to it wholeheartedly up to 24 days. But that wasn't good enough for Floyd jr. he wanted 14 days. Which doesn't make ANY sense at all. What does 10 days do? Would 10 days suddenly change manny's mind if he wanted to cheat? If he's convinced that manny might be cheating if given a 24 day window, then what on earth will make him change his mind if he's given a 14 day window? What, suddenly manny cannot cheat if tests are taken up to 14 days before the fight? Where's the logic there? His 14 day compromise made that random blood test practically useless.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. didn't set the dates. So when Manny wants to change the dates, he's not disagreeing with Floyd - he is arguing against testing measures already in place by an established commission.